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Old 03-20-2006, 10:59 AM
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Flip Point?
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Here is the reason YOU are doing it:

You have recently 'improved' your "flip piont."

But—like Mathew points out—your radius is set for your old flip.

So....like Denny and Edz pointed out, keep your left shoulder moving away from the ball while you keep your hands forward—ie NO flip.

Hit 'em good.

Brian—Golf's Answer Man

What is the "flip point" and what is it's function?

Hey Brian I have heard your name a lot from other TGMer's! Where do you teach? Do you have a site aslo? Do you have videos? Heard a lot of great things about ya.
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Old 03-20-2006, 10:10 PM
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Thank you and follow-up
Thank you all for your responses. i have two follow-up questions:

1. On one fat shot I still had my weight on my rear foot at the finish. Assuming that this can also cause fat shots (as well as a huge power leak), how might I correct this? I should also note that this problem developed when I was working on fixing my OTT problem.

2. What does running out of right arm mean?

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Old 03-20-2006, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by teach
Thank you all for your responses. i have two follow-up questions:

1. On one fat shot I still had my weight on my rear foot at the finish. Assuming that this can also cause fat shots (as well as a huge power leak), how might I correct this? I should also note that this problem developed when I was working on fixing my OTT problem.

2. What does running out of right arm mean?

Thank you.

teach
1. Work on the 2nd Essential, Balance.
2. Running out of right arm means that at follow through (8-11), your right arm is unable to straighten because of an off plane right shoulder (7-13)
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Old 03-20-2006, 11:22 PM
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Flip Point:

The point where you start to throw it away.

In other words—something you don't want to have.

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Old 03-21-2006, 07:43 PM
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1. Work on the 2nd Essential, Balance.
2. Running out of right arm means that at follow through (8-11), your right arm is unable to straighten because of an off plane right shoulder (7-13)
The expression Running out of Right Arm is associated with the straightening of the right arm, for whatever reason, prior to impact.

At impact, provided that the right shoulder has made its way down plane then the amount of right elbow bend that was factored in at set up will be maintained - i.e "not run out of" - and throw away will not have occured, nor will the shot have been hit fat.

At the end of follow through, the only place in the golf stroke, the right arm and left arm will both be in a straight line condition; but that is a good thing.
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Old 03-22-2006, 04:24 AM
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The expression Running out of Right Arm is associated with the straightening of the right arm, for whatever reason, prior to impact.
Your definition raises an issue...why then does Mr. Kelley admonish taking all strokes to the both arms straight position per 8-11?
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...why then does Mr. Kelley admonish taking all strokes to the both arms straight position per 8-11?
To be a good player, you must swing your Left Arm through the Ball while keeping your Left Wrist Flat. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke -- the Left Arm and Clubshaft remaining In Line (6-B-3-0) -- and also compliance with the Law of the Flail (Sketch 2-K #1-#3). However, unless the Right Arm is sufficiently bent through Impact, it acts as a 'chain' on the Left Arm that prevents it from swinging through. Then, the Left Wrist Bends, Rhythm evaporates and erratic Execution (3-F-6) becomes the order of the day.

The solution is to maintain the Normal Condition of the Arms: 'Left Arm straight and Right Arm bent' until the end of the Follow-Through (by definiton, the Both Arms Straight position). To see it in action, click through this sequence of Stuart Appleby http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline...634482,00.html frame-by-frame throughout the Release Interval (Release to Follow-Through).

Then, learn to do it yourself. The key here is the Right Shoulder. Most players Turn it Off Plane during the Start Down and keep it too 'high' throughout the Downstroke. Instead, keep it 'back and down' (On Plane / 7-13). A few thousand Start Down Waggles (3-F-5) -- the Hands (via the Pivot and its On Plane Right Shoulder as actuated by Hip Action) dragging the butt end of the Club directly toward the Plane Line -- will be your gateway.

Work on these things -- diligently -- and finally will come the day when you will watch your Right Arm (the Third Side of the Triangle / 6-A-1) extend beautifully Down Plane (3-F-7-E) through Impact and Follow-Through (1-L #10 and #15). And for at least this one brief shining moment...

The world will be as it should.

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The expression Running out of Right Arm is associated with the straightening of the right arm, for whatever reason, prior to impact.
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Your definition raises an issue...why then does Mr. Kelley admonish taking all strokes to the both arms straight position per 8-11?
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To be a good player, you must swing your Left Arm through the Ball while keeping your Left Wrist Flat. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke -- the Left Arm and Clubshaft remaining In Line (6-B-3-0) -- and also compliance with the Law of the Flail (Sketch 2-K #1-#3). However, unless the Right Arm is sufficiently bent through Impact, it acts as a 'chain' on the Left Arm that prevents it from swinging through. Then, the Left Wrist Bends, Rhythm evaporates and erratic Execution (3-F-6) becomes the order of the day.

The solution is to maintain the Normal Condition of the Arms: 'Left Arm straight and Right Arm bent' until the end of the Follow-Through (by definiton, the Both Arms Straight position). To see it in action, click through this sequence of Stuart Appleby http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline...634482,00.html frame-by-frame throughout the Release Interval (Release to Follow-Through).

Then, learn to do it yourself. The key here is the Right Shoulder. Most players Turn it Off Plane during the Start Down and keep it too 'high' throughout the Downstroke. Instead, keep it 'back and down' (On Plane / 7-13). A few thousand Start Down Waggles (3-F-5) -- the Hands (via the Pivot and its On Plane Right Shoulder as actuated by Hip Action) dragging the butt end of the Club directly toward the Plane Line -- will be your gateway.

Work on these things -- diligently -- and finally will come the day when you will watch your Right Arm (the Third Side of the Triangle / 6-A-1) extend beautifully Down Plane (3-F-7-E) through Impact and Follow-Through (1-L #10 and #15). And for at least this one brief shining moment...

The world will be as it should.

And I said all that without moving my lips!
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