Annikan Skywalker - Downstroke Sequence

[Homerson]

I used to push off my right foot and kickin my knee after some receiving some "wonderful" advice in my teenage years....I trained my right knee to move in the opposite direction by abduction of my legs....Little did I know I could get the same look if I used the ground via the Pivot train to pull via a transfer of momentum starting with the segments on my left side...ground up!!! Hmmmm!!! Manufactured versus Natural Physics????

Can you elaborate a little, Annikan?

You trained your right knee to move in WHICH direction by HOW?

Which LOOK did you create?

[annikan skywalker]

Can you elaborate a little, Annikan?

You trained your right knee to move in WHICH direction by HOW?

Which LOOK did you create?

Abduction is away from the centerline of your body istead of adduction is toward your centerline!


The Snead LOOK!!!

[Homerson]

Abduction is away from the centerline of your body istead of adduction is toward your centerline!


The Snead LOOK!!!

Ok, so using natural physics, the pivot train, the look is that the right knee goes away from the body(away from the ball?), THEN moves back toward the inside of the left knee(toward the body?)???

In my swing, I like the look of the right kneee moving straight toward the the left(without the push feel you talk about), BUT I do have some COG issues(according to foot pressure monitor technology).

Have I got it wrong?

[annikan skywalker]

Wrong? For Sequential motion...there would not be a push off the right foot and knee..it would be a pull down starting down with the segments of the lower extememities...

[noproblemos]

Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Isn't Horizontal Hinging a "full roll" through impact? her's looks like a full roll. Has she gone rolled too far too early?

[12 piece bucket]

Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

[noproblemos]

Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

But isn't the right arm supposed to be rolled in Horizontal Hinging? Otherwise, how can the clubface have moved horizontally.

BTW, how are Hinging and Swivel different? Are you saying that Swivel means the "INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm...not the entire left arm wedge"?

[EdZ]

Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Isn't Horizontal Hinging a "full roll" through impact? her's looks like a full roll. Has she gone rolled too far too early?

The key difference, and the 'root' of the issue is her grip.

Note how well David has maintained his right wrist bend in the comparison above, vs. the flat right wrist position of Melanie.

Melanie's right hand grip is too much in her fingers, rather than being at the 'root', or base, of the fingers/palm. This forces her to take a stronger left hand grip in order to 'balance' the tendency of a right hand fingers grip to open the clubface, and doesn't allow her to keep her right hand wedge until follow through.

Both David's grip and Billy Herring's grip are far better, as you can clearly see in the impact and follow through positions in their sequences.

This is an area where TGM and 'traditional' teaching are rather different, and it is a VERY important difference.

Your pattern always comes back to your grip. I can certainly relate, as I had for many years used a right hand grip that was too far in the fingers - which just destroys the right forearm wedge.

Hitting chip shots right hand only can show you the proper location, at the 'root' of the fingers.

Heck of a motion from Billy Herring David!

[annikan skywalker]

The key difference, and the 'root' of the issue is her grip.

Note how well David has maintained his right wrist bend in the comparison above, vs. the flat right wrist position of Melanie.

Melanie's right hand grip is too much in her fingers, rather than being at the 'root', or base, of the fingers/palm. This forces her to take a stronger left hand grip in order to 'balance' the tendency of a right hand fingers grip to open the clubface, and doesn't allow her to keep her right hand wedge until follow through.

Both David's grip and Billy Herring's grip are far better, as you can clearly see in the impact and follow through positions in their sequences.

This is an area where TGM and 'traditional' teaching are rather different, and it is a VERY important difference.

Your pattern always comes back to your grip. I can certainly relate, as I had for many years used a right hand grip that was too far in the fingers - which just destroys the right forearm wedge.

Hitting chip shots right hand only can show you the proper location, at the 'root' of the fingers.

Heck of a motion from Billy Herring David!

Helluva post EdZ...thanks for the insight!!!