Annikan Skywalker - Downstroke Sequence

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Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Isn't Horizontal Hinging a "full roll" through impact? her's looks like a full roll. Has she gone rolled too far too early?

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Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

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Could depend on how Turned the grip is . . . don't have that pic so hard to tell.

Also note how David has maintained his paddlewheel of the right forearm more at follow through. The right forearm is not as "rolled." When Swivel replaces Hinge Action (be it angled or horizontal) alignment is erratic . . . Swivel being an INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm . . . not the entire left arm wedge. You can see this in the left arms as well.

But isn't the right arm supposed to be rolled in Horizontal Hinging? Otherwise, how can the clubface have moved horizontally.

BTW, how are Hinging and Swivel different? Are you saying that Swivel means the "INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm...not the entire left arm wedge"?

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But isn't the right arm supposed to be rolled in Horizontal Hinging? Otherwise, how can the clubface have moved horizontally.

BTW, how are Hinging and Swivel different? Are you saying that Swivel means the "INDEPENDENT motion of the left forearm...not the entire left arm wedge"?

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2-G HINGE MOTION The Hands can be educated to reproduce them by holding at least one Hand vertical or parallel to the corresponding Basic Plane. These motions also duplicate the motions of paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around its axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent could be “Clubface Paddlewheel Action” executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion. Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only). After the selected Hinge Action has been executed, the Swivel is again useful for Snap Rolling the hands into their On Plane Condition for the Finish (8-12). That is the Geometry of Hinging.


4-C-3 ROLLED The Wrist is ROLLED when it is rotated to the left. This moves the Wrist backe to the VERTICAL condition from the TURNED condition. The Wrist should never normally ROLL beyond the VERTICAL condition during the Release. But the Roll may be varied to suit the purpose at hand. It may begin early or late, behind or ahead of normal position, or even be left in the Turned position until after Impact. See 4-D-0.

HERE'S A FANTASTIC EXPLANATION BY COLLARDS ON THE INTRACACIES OF HINGE ACTION AND SWIVEL I have this tatoo'd on my forehead.

For example...

Stand erect with your arms hanging normally at your sides. The dial of your wristwatch faces west. Leaving your arms at your sides, turn your body to the right. Note that the dial now faces north. Did you turn your hand? No. Is it in a turned condition? Yes. Why? Because that what happens when the arms and hands maintain their natural relationship to the turning body.

Now extend your left arm in front of your shoulder and parallel to the ground. Point your left forefinger straight ahead in a mock 'shooting a pistol' configuration. Now swing your arm horizontally to the right as if you were going to 'shoot' a target opposite your right shoulder. Lower your hand to waist high. Is it in a turned condition? Yes. Did you turn it? No. This is the natural action produced by the swinging arm.

In both cases, the 'turn' was gradual and not completed until the movement itself was completed. Per 2-G, neither was an actual 'turn' of the hand, nor would its reverse motion be a true 'roll.' The left arm and hand has simply swung like a gate from its hinges and remained vertical (perpendicular) to the ground. The identical motion on an inclined plane appears to turn and roll. In reality, it is merely the Hinge Action, that is, the left wrist staying perpendicular to the horizontal plane. In other words, the wrist turns...but it is not turned (independently of the turning body or swinging arms).

However, the Swivel Action is a true rotation independent of the natural motion of the body and arms. For example, in the above drill, instead of your left wrist remaining vertical (perpendicular) to the ground as it swings first to the right and then back to the left, it would immediately twist palm down to the ground. That is an independent swivel. The same is true on the return move wherein the hand remains palm down until the arm passes the line-of-sight and twists back to its beginning 'perpendicular to the ground' alignment.

It may help to think of an actual hinge: the blade simply moves in a circle around the pin and remains perpendicular to its plane of motion. The movement is a structured, mechanical rotation of the blade about its hinge pin axis. At no time, however, does the blade itself actually twist. Now, with a pair of pliers, you could physically take hold of the blade and twist it, but in so doing, you would bend it -- the blade would no longer be perpendicular to its plane of motion -- and perhaps even tear it from its pin. In either event, the hinge action will have been destroyed.

This is what happens when you twist your left wrist -- to the right or to the left. You have a Swivel Action. In G.O.L.F., it is the Swingers Standard Left Wrist Action (10-18-A) -- Start Up and Release Swivels -- to effect On Plane Clubhead Control on the Backstroke and to increase the Lag of the #3 Accumulator into Impact. The Finish Swivel is used by both Swingers and Hitters to complete the Stroke after the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position). At no time does either Swinger or Hitter use Swivel Action to control the Clubface Alignment during Impact.

That is the realm of the Hinge Action.

To take Doc Collards example a step further . . . Get your little gun finger pointing straight ahead. Now rotate your left palm up to face the SKY. Then drop it down on the Inclined Plane. There you can see what INDEPENDENT ROTATION OF THE LEFT FOREARM does for you and why as a result things be come erratic. You have OVER-ROLLED. Hinge Motion is consistent. Independent rotation of the LEFT FOREARM is fleeting. REMEMBER it is a LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE not a LEFT FOREARM FLYING WEDGE. The whole Wedge executes the Hinge Motion and the left forearm executes the Swivel back up the Inclined Plane.

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A Hall of Fame post combined with a Hall of Famer ....Bravo...well done and well explained....There is a difference between Turned and Turning....The entire Arm vs. the lower arm....Nice!!!

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A Hall of Fame post combined with a Hall of Famer ....Bravo...well done and well explained....There is a difference between Turned and Turning....The entire Arm vs. the lower arm....Nice!!!

No . . . YOU'RE the MAN!!!! It's in them purdee pictures of your swing. Pictures worth a thousand words PUDGE.

[annikan skywalker]

Here's proof positive that you can teach TGM without every using it's language...Billy Herring - 14 Years old...12 minute lesson Monday thru Friday before he leaves for school! He's a Champion..He has a Vision...He told Mike Holder of Oklahoma State this summer at the OSU Golf Camp.."Coach I'm comin to OSU"...Coach Holder probably thought "Okay?"...then several days later..this boy was medalist shooting ...I believe a couple under...Guess he can back it up!!!

Billy Herring

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HERE'S A FANTASTIC EXPLANATION BY COLLARDS ON THE INTRACACIES OF HINGE ACTION AND SWIVEL I have this tatoo'd on my forehead.

Thanks a heck of a lot for the explanation! A great read.

I still have a little confusion. I can't understand how this hinge explanation works for any way but one. How would you do a Horizontal Hinge vs Angled Hinge vs Vertical Hinge. I don't yet understand how to change the amounts of "Turn" for Horizontal vs Angled vs Vertical Hinge.

*And I thought I understood Horizontal/Angled/Vertical Hinge action two years ago.

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Thanks a heck of a lot for the explanation! A great read.

I still have a little confusion. I can't understand how this hinge explanation works for any way but one. How would you do a Horizontal Hinge vs Angled Hinge vs Vertical Hinge. I don't yet understand how to change the amounts of "Turn" for Horizontal vs Angled vs Vertical Hinge.

*And I thought I understood Horizontal/Angled/Vertical Hinge action two years ago.

It's what you hold your left wrist perpendicular to. So Horizontal Hinge is on the HORZONTAL PLANE. Like the shooting people with your index finger. Your arm is like a DOOR swinging on its hinge. It moves on a horizontal plane right?BUT to get from the HORIZONTAL PLANE to the "golf plane" which is the Inclined Plane (like a roof) you gotta drop your arm down on it. Hence Dual Horizontal Hinging Hinge #1 is the like the door's hinge, but to get to the Inclined Plane you need a second hinge to drop it down from your shoulder socket. Make sense?

Now Verticle Hinge is like an attic door or a trap door. It moves on a VERTICAL PLANE right? So you move your arm up and down like you were trying to fly. But you need a second hinge to get you on the inclined plane . . . so Dual Vertical Hinging. Cool?

Now for Angled Hinging you don't need no 2nd hinge because you are already on the Inclined Plane. Therefore your wrist just remains verticle to the Inclined Plane (roof).

That's the conceptual stuff but you can control your Hinge Action by FEEL and by how the Clubhead points:

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7-10 HINGE ACTION . . . Beside the coverage in 2-D, 2-G and 10-10, “Basic Hinging” has the following characteristics of appearance and feel. Between the “Full Roll” of Horizontal Hinging and the “No Roll” of Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging takes on a “Half Roll” motion. While Horizontal Hinging retains the “Feel” of a “Roll”, Angled Hinging takes on a “No Roll” Feel and Vertical Hinging is executed as a “Reverse Roll

VISUALLY
Stop at the end of a short Chip Shot – the Club at about 45 degrees. With Horizontal Hinging, the toe of the Club will point along the Plane Line. With Angled Hinging, about 45 degrees across the Plane Line. With Vertical Hinging, about 90 degrees across the Plane Line with the Clubface looking Squarely at the sky. And always with a Flat Left Wrist vertical to its associated Basic Plane. “Over Roll” or “Under Roll” of the Left Wrist – NOT VERTICAL – puts the Swingle out of line with the Handle (Sketch 2-K) as much as does any other form of Clubhead Throwaway. Practice these alignments until you have the same Rhythm hitting the Ball as with your Practice Swing. Their difference is always Rhythm.

The KEY to this Rhythm is the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). As part of the above drill, hold the 45 degree Arm position while rotating the Hands and the #3 Accumulator through the three Hinging positions, over and over until you see that each position changes the LOCATION of the Clubhead. The Point to note here is that with each Hinge Action the #3 Accumulator has a different “In Line” motion – Dual Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel and Dual Vertical the shortest. This agrees with the “Roll Characteristics” discussed in 7-10 and must be so executed to produce proper Rhythm.

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Almost Word.
At the moment I'm trying to imagine how a horizontal hinge that is dropped down (Dual Horizontal Hinge) is different from an Angle Hinge.

It's what you hold your left wrist perpendicular to. So Horizontal Hinge is on the HORZONTAL PLANE. Like the shooting people with your index finger. Your arm is like a DOOR swinging on its hinge. It moves on a horizontal plane right?BUT to get from the HORIZONTAL PLANE to the "golf plane" which is the Inclined Plane (like a roof) you gotta drop your arm down on it. Hence Dual Horizontal Hinging Hinge #1 is the like the door's hinge, but to get to the Inclined Plane you need a second hinge to drop it down from your shoulder socket. Make sense?

Now Verticle Hinge is like an attic door or a trap door. It moves on a VERTICLE PLANE right? So you move your arm up and down like you were trying to fly. But you need a second hinge to get you on the inclined plane . . . so Dual Verticle Hinging. Cool?

Now for Angled Hinging you don't need no 2nd hinge because you are already on the Inclined Plane. Therefore your wrist just remains verticle to the Inclined Plane (roof).

That's the conceptual stuff but you can control your Hinge Action by FEEL and by how the Clubhead points:

FEEL
7-10 HINGE ACTION . . . Beside the coverage in 2-D, 2-G and 10-10, “Basic Hinging” has the following characteristics of appearance and feel. Between the “Full Roll” of Horizontal Hinging and the “No Roll” of Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging takes on a “Half Roll” motion. While Horizontal Hinging retains the “Feel” of a “Roll”, Angled Hinging takes on a “No Roll” Feel and Vertical Hinging is executed as a “Reverse Roll

VISUALLY
Stop at the end of a short Chip Shot – the Club at about 45 degrees. With Horizontal Hinging, the toe of the Club will point along the Plane Line. With Angled Hinging, about 45 degrees across the Plane Line. With Vertical Hinging, about 90 degrees across the Plane Line with the Clubface looking Squarely at the sky. And always with a Flat Left Wrist vertical to its associated Basic Plane. “Over Roll” or “Under Roll” of the Left Wrist – NOT VERTICAL – puts the Swingle out of line with the Handle (Sketch 2-K) as much as does any other form of Clubhead Throwaway. Practice these alignments until you have the same Rhythm hitting the Ball as with your Practice Swing. Their difference is always Rhythm.

The KEY to this Rhythm is the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). As part of the above drill, hold the 45 degree Arm position while rotating the Hands and the #3 Accumulator through the three Hinging positions, over and over until you see that each position changes the LOCATION of the Clubhead. The Point to note here is that with each Hinge Action the #3 Accumulator has a different “In Line” motion – Dual Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel and Dual Vertical the shortest. This agrees with the “Roll Characteristics” discussed in 7-10 and must be so executed to produce proper Rhythm.

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