Annikan Skywalker - Downstroke Sequence

[EdZ]

Edz said: [She]... a bit early on the finish swivel perhaps, or an aiming point that is slightly farther back than it should be. These are very minor in her case.

I have a question about this “Hinging” and/or “finish swivel”:
First I assume:
1. These are both pics of the “follow through” position where both arms are straight.
2. Since you’re probably “Swinging” then you’re intending to use Horizontal Hinging.

OK, here's where I'm confused...
Edz has said that she seems to be “a bit early on the finish swivel.” But isn’t hers the way you are supposed to look, at the "both arms straight position", if you are using Horizontal Hinging? How can you [Annikan] be using Horizontal Hinging if your hands look like yours at followthrough. Wouldn’t that be more like Angled Hinging?

Isn't Horizontal Hinging a "full roll" through impact? her's looks like a full roll. Has she gone rolled too far too early?

The key difference, and the 'root' of the issue is her grip.

Note how well David has maintained his right wrist bend in the comparison above, vs. the flat right wrist position of Melanie.

Melanie's right hand grip is too much in her fingers, rather than being at the 'root', or base, of the fingers/palm. This forces her to take a stronger left hand grip in order to 'balance' the tendency of a right hand fingers grip to open the clubface, and doesn't allow her to keep her right hand wedge until follow through.

Both David's grip and Billy Herring's grip are far better, as you can clearly see in the impact and follow through positions in their sequences.

This is an area where TGM and 'traditional' teaching are rather different, and it is a VERY important difference.

Your pattern always comes back to your grip. I can certainly relate, as I had for many years used a right hand grip that was too far in the fingers - which just destroys the right forearm wedge.

Hitting chip shots right hand only can show you the proper location, at the 'root' of the fingers.

Heck of a motion from Billy Herring David!

[annikan skywalker]

The key difference, and the 'root' of the issue is her grip.

Note how well David has maintained his right wrist bend in the comparison above, vs. the flat right wrist position of Melanie.

Melanie's right hand grip is too much in her fingers, rather than being at the 'root', or base, of the fingers/palm. This forces her to take a stronger left hand grip in order to 'balance' the tendency of a right hand fingers grip to open the clubface, and doesn't allow her to keep her right hand wedge until follow through.

Both David's grip and Billy Herring's grip are far better, as you can clearly see in the impact and follow through positions in their sequences.

This is an area where TGM and 'traditional' teaching are rather different, and it is a VERY important difference.

Your pattern always comes back to your grip. I can certainly relate, as I had for many years used a right hand grip that was too far in the fingers - which just destroys the right forearm wedge.

Hitting chip shots right hand only can show you the proper location, at the 'root' of the fingers.

Heck of a motion from Billy Herring David!

Helluva post EdZ...thanks for the insight!!!

[Mike O]

David,
Is Bill's Down Target View available?
Would you have time to post it?
Thanks,
Mike O.

[annikan skywalker]

I'll try to capture some next lesson!!! Our building is so short that we have to film down the line fro outside the building to inside and this messes up the lighting during some portions of the day...

[mrodock]

Post your's as well if you can Annikan!

Matt

[rchang72]

Noproblemos, thanks for putting the two pics together. Really shows the difference between hinge & swivel.

Annikan, curious what your miss patterns are now vs. before when you were swivelling at impact.

Roger

[noproblemos]

Noproblemos, thanks for putting the two pics together. Really shows the difference between hinge & swivel.

Annikan, curious what your miss patterns are now vs. before when you were swivelling at impact.

Roger

And thanks to everyone in this thread.
Annikan for the great pics, Edz with that analysis and explanation, Tongzilla for the Hinge vs Swivel explanation. Yoda too.
.........

Just wondering: I read Hank Johnson's book three or four years ago, so I don't remember for sure, but is his explanation of the Hinges different from the one in this thread? Is this why somebody said that Hank's Hinge pictures were incorrect?

........
Anyway,
I think I now have a much better understanding of how to swivel to get back on plane after my follow-through.

CHEERS TO EVERYBODY!!!

[annikan skywalker]

Noproblemos, thanks for putting the two pics together. Really shows the difference between hinge & swivel.

Annikan, curious what your miss patterns are now vs. before when you were swivelling at impact.



Roger

Fat or Thin...rarely offline !!!

[annikan skywalker]

[12 piece bucket]

Pudge . . . Your position and Lee Buck's are remarkably similar. Particularly the hands. But one thing I find interesting in this comparison is the #4 pressure point. This we know to be your Swing as you have told us from the jump. But people debate what Lee was. He may punch us for asking. But Ole Lee obviously is "less connected" at #4. One piece of evidence that he could be a 4-barrel hitter.

He spoke of this very thing in his book . . .

LET THE LEFT ARM LEAVE YOUR SIDE
To keep your clubhead moving down your flight path a little longer past impact, you must let your left arm leave your left side as you swing through the ball. When this happens correctly you'll feel your right shoulder working under instead of around. The extent that the clubhead can stay on the flight path past impact is exaggerated in the large drawing, but even a fraction of an inch more extension of the on-path movement will improve your chances for starting shots in the direction you intend.

Mr. K according to Yoda was particularly impressed with Buckle's ability to hit DOWN all the way DOWN DOWN DOWN. I have the Shell's dvd of Buck vs. Fat Jack. These dudes were past their prime, but I'm convinced that Lee has the best pivot and Right Forearm Flying Wedge the game has ever seen. I don't know if the above quote is a "feel vs. real" thing, but I think Lee took every shot to a perfect FULL LEVER EXTENSION. He may not have had the speed. But when he hit the ball it got BASHED with STRUCTURE . . . HARD.