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Old 06-28-2006, 09:46 AM
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On a more advanced note which might not help out immediately but something to put into your incubator - the plane shifts or pivots around the line of compression through the ball. (Edit: thats through the ball at seperation that isn't quite true either unless its a straightaway flight your after) As most know by now it is the longitudinal center of gravity is what remains onplane. This allows an onplane force to drive the sweetspot directly towards and through the line of compression. The low point plane line will change as the plane adjusts.
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Look at the picture beside Mathew's name. That is an INCLINED PLANE. The club(shaft and head) slides up and down that plane.
A PLANE is just a flat surface.

Most people whould probably only putt, chip, or pitch on the plane in the picture. With most people the club will come off that original angle at around waist high on the backswing. At the TOP the club will end up more over your right shoulder, but(ideally) will still be on a plane parallel to the original one.

There are a variety of options coming DOWN(and BACK actually), but many pros shift back down to the original angle at around waist hight on the downswing, and stay on that through impact, and on into the followthrough. At the FINISH, you will come off that original angle again.

Now... there are many plane variations (Jim Furyk, John Daly), but all these guys get back on to a good plane somewhere on the downswing. If you consistently get a good ball flight... it's OK.
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:01 AM
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How about right forearm magic and its relationship with tilt , and plane? ...
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:02 PM
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How about right forearm magic and its relationship with tilt , and plane? ...
Very good and astute question Nuke . . .

First of all to answer this question you must understand the concept of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the Level Right Wrist.



The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is basically having the Clubshaft and Right FOREARM in the same plane like a javelin thrower. Check the cat out in this pic. See how the javelin and his right forearm could lay on a table if he dropped them down. The table is the PLANE. So in javelin chucking the table(plane of motion) is Vertical. In baseball the plane is Horizontal . . . See how the forearm and bat are in the same plane and could lay on a table?



. . . and golf the Plane is INCLINED . . . like a roof.



See how Lee Buck's Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same plane?

So the Magic of the Right Forearm is this. If you go to Impact Fix and have your Right Forearm and Clubshaft in the same plane, you can actually see and feel the Inclined Plane that the club swings upon just by looking at your Right Forearm and where it is pointing. Back Up and In . . . Down Out and Forward.
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:55 PM
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Very good and astute question Nuke . . .

First of all to answer this question you must understand the concept of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the Level Right Wrist.



The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is basically having the Clubshaft and Right FOREARM in the same plane like a javelin thrower. Check the cat out in this pic. See how the javelin and his right forearm could lay on a table if he dropped them down. The table is the PLANE. So in javelin chucking the table(plane of motion) is Vertical. In baseball the plane is Horizontal . . . See how the forearm and bat are in the same plane and could lay on a table?



. . . and golf the Plane is INCLINED . . . like a roof.



See how Lee Buck's Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same plane?

So the Magic of the Right Forearm is this. If you go to Impact Fix and have your Right Forearm and Clubshaft in the same plane, you can actually see and feel the Inclined Plane that the club swings upon just by looking at your Right Forearm and where it is pointing. Back Up and In . . . Down Out and Forward.
All this is so good it hurts. Hats off to Colonel 12 Piece!

And can you see -- and FEEL -- the way Lee Trevino is using his Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the Right Forefinger) to come into the Ball Down Plane from the Inside Out?

Man...we all ought to get together and buy a bunch of these from Ron Watts and hang'em on our practice room walls!
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Old 06-29-2006, 07:55 AM
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All this is so good it hurts. Hats off to Colonel 12 Piece!

And can you see -- and FEEL -- the way Lee Trevino is using his Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the Right Forefinger) to come into the Ball Down Plane from the Inside Out?

Man...we all ought to get together and buy a bunch of these from Ron Watts and hang'em on our practice room walls!
He's got some great pics . . . they ain't cheap though!
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He's got some great pics . . . they ain't cheap though!
Pics are wonderful and reading/learning about the On-Plane Right Forearm leads one to believe that it's The-Only-Way. Once, during a practice session I actually felt the Right Forearm coming though On-Plane and Truly leading the Club into impact. Wow, what a great, powerful, lagging, dragging feeling having the right hand pass in front of you with the clubhead lagging behind and speeding up to get in-line. Ya just know that impact is going to be a wallop. Now, if I can only get it back. I'm resolved to visit the range at hit one-thousand ball with my Right Arm Flying Wedge only. I think one could build an effective and entire Golf Swing solely based the On-Plane Right Forearm Concept.
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:46 AM
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I think one could build an effective and entire Golf Swing solely based the On-Plane Right Forearm Concept.
Right hand only (right arm flying wedge)
Left hand only (left arm flying wedge)

both hands and both flying wedges = maximum impact support

A great way to learn, begining with your putter, then chip, pitch punch. Click, click, click... bent right wrist, flat left wrist.

There is magic in that forearm - and magic in those flying wedges
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And let us not forget... 1-L

1-L #11

Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Center of Gravity (the direction of the motion) and varies with the Speed, Mass and Swing Radius

and

1-L #5

The Clubshaft lies full length on a flat, tilted plane

and

1-L #15

The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through

Notice that in #11 he is talking about 'the' plane and in #5 he is talking about 'a' plane.

This is a very important difference that really confuses a lot of folks regarding plane.

Add to this...

4-D-1

...It is the hands AND clubhead - not just the clubhead - that define the Plane.
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Very good and astute question Nuke . . .

First of all to answer this question you must understand the concept of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the Level Right Wrist.



The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is basically having the Clubshaft and Right FOREARM in the same plane like a javelin thrower. Check the cat out in this pic. See how the javelin and his right forearm could lay on a table if he dropped them down. The table is the PLANE. So in javelin chucking the table(plane of motion) is Vertical. In baseball the plane is Horizontal . . . See how the forearm and bat are in the same plane and could lay on a table?



. . . and golf the Plane is INCLINED . . . like a roof.



See how Lee Buck's Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same plane?

So the Magic of the Right Forearm is this. If you go to Impact Fix and have your Right Forearm and Clubshaft in the same plane, you can actually see and feel the Inclined Plane that the club swings upon just by looking at your Right Forearm and where it is pointing. Back Up and In . . . Down Out and Forward.
That at impact fix when I get my right forearm on plane that my clubface works to an open position at address. I have hit some great shots from here...it just looks different!
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