Question about Tomasello's Video and Hitting

[timm]

Can someone explain why on the Tomasello video he says hitting will cause a loss of distance compared to swinging. Also he talked about the ball flight was a fade from what I have read on this forum about hitting the ball flight is straight. Did he not use any kind of swivel at the end for the hits?

[Bagger Lance]

My guess is there are very, very few TGM instructors that really understand the hitting procedure.
I can only name 3 or 4 today that get it, and Lynn is at the top of that list.
There are more TGM instructors being trained on hitting, but that is a recent development IMHO.

Bagger

[timm]

Thanks for the info. I think once I figure out the hitting procedure it will be more accurate.
Tim
Dallas, TX

[davel]

Having worked and studied the hiting concept in general there is truth that the fade is usually the ball flight unless compensations are introduced and it takes a bit of more musular effort with good technique to hit the ball long. The angle hinging action for hitters is most compatible versus horizontal hinging is compatible with swinging. As stated in a previous post Yoda and Yodasluke are masters in the art of hitting and if you plan to use hitting you should get lessons or study the various forums to understand the difference in technique. For example the hitter does not use a start up swivel and keeps the clubface facing the ball as long as possible on the backswing. If you really get a chance get down to the swamp and book a lesson with yodasluke. He is great and he can quickly determine if you are suited to hitting.

Dave

Can someone explain why on the Tomasello video he says hitting will cause a loss of distance compared to swinging. Also he talked about the ball flight was a fade from what I have read on this forum about hitting the ball flight is straight. Did he not use any kind of swivel at the end for the hits?

[Delaware Golf]

My guess is there are very, very few TGM instructors that really understand the hitting procedure.
I can only name 3 or 4 today that get it, and Lynn is at the top of that list.
There are more TGM instructors being trained on hitting, but that is a recent development IMHO.

Bagger

Trust me...as a student of Tomasello's, Tommy knew how to use and teach the hitting procedure...

DG

[Bagger Lance]

Trust me...as a student of Tomasello's, Tommy knew how to use and teach the hitting procedure...

DG

I trust ya DG.
It just didn't come across well on the video.

I hope you get a chance to learn it first hand from Ted or Lynn sometime as well.
So you can compare notes.

[Delaware Golf]

I trust ya DG.
It just didn't come across well on the video.

I hope you get a chance to learn it first hand from Ted or Lynn sometime as well.
So you can compare notes.

Bagger,

The Australia video was just snap shot of Tommy's teaching.


DG

[YodasLuke]

Can someone explain why on the Tomasello video he says hitting will cause a loss of distance compared to swinging. Also he talked about the ball flight was a fade from what I have read on this forum about hitting the ball flight is straight. Did he not use any kind of swivel at the end for the hits?

From my personal experience, I find that I Hit the ball farther than I do when Swinging. Hitting is my pattern. I don't practice Swinging. I would have to work on my release interval to get the distance with Swinging. My clubhead speed when Hitting is 112 with a driver. My clubhead speed when Swinging is 106. I believe that I could get them to match if I ever worked on swinging. But, I don't believe that I would find any appreciable difference in either if I practiced both.

The Swinger gains in all the vectors being aligned. The Hitter gains in the use of the powerful right triceps.

Just from some of the statements that I've heard Homer make about Right Arm Swinging (7-19: 10-3-K, Bat with loosened wrists) I choose to stay away from it..."There's no particular advantage", "You lose all radius to the feet".

But, I am not a Tomasello expert. For that, you'll have to speak to Delaware Golf.

[Yoda]

One of my personal goals at the coming Titleist Performance Institue meeting will be to explore this whole idea of Swinging versus Hitting. This would include such quantitative data as Clubhead Speed at Release and Impact, the relative effects of Impact Deceleration on Post-Impact Clubhead Speed (and, ultimately, Ball Speed) and any differences in the Downstroke 'firing' sequence.

I am also interested in any differences in Right Shoulder Rotation (both degree and speed); 'feel versus real', i.e., the Swinger's strong sense of Lag Pressure (as produced and sustained by Body Momentum Transfer) versus the Hitter's Lag Pressure (initially Loaded by the Pivot but sustained by an actively driving Right Arm); and, the effect (on distance) of the Hitter's Clubface Layback during Impact. Ideally, we would be able to measure the relative mechanical advantages of Body Momentum Transfer (Swinger) and the Right Triceps (Hitter).

Finally, given the data, we may be able to come to some conclusions as to the respective physical abilities required and perhaps even the effect of personality type on psychological preference.

[Sbark]

Trust me...as a student of Tomasello's, Tommy knew how to use and teach the hitting procedure...

DG

agreed.....got back alot of length and game incorporating TT's and DG's stuff from the Aussie vid's----want and need more, but right now into wheat harvest and then maybe work the dogs over some prime pheasant hunting this fall