Laid Off Vs. Across the Line

[jim_0068]

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Hank Haney's definition is:
"Your club is laid off when it is behind your hands at any point in the swing"


From the photos you can see what he means but what would be a better description?

there is ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKN' WAY you can go from the position 2nd to last to the last.

[strav]

there is ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKN' WAY you can go from the position 2nd to last to the last.

Don't think this is meant to be a sequence - rather posed positions for demonstration purposes only showing how the club can be laid off at various stages in different swings. He makes the point that no matter where the club is 'laid off' the shot pattern will be the same i.e. blocked to the right unless he flips his hands through impact and if he uses his hands too much he might hit a duck hook. Either way - no consistency.
Would you agree?

[EdZ]

As a an aside, the second picture is a VERY common move and one of the single biggest reasons that people can't square up the face - a bad takeaway that is both too inside and, ironically, overplane, or 'laid off'

Keeping the clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high is the key to fixing this.

[lagster]

Many people in the "LAID OFF position at the TOP actually come over the top with a steep downswing plane. I have seen a few get into the Position Mr. Haney shows in the last picture, but not that many.

Actually... most people that take the club way inside going back, are Cross-the-line at the TOP or End, and those that take the club back more on the opposite extreme, may get LAID-OFF.

GET THINGS JUST RIGHT... SIMULTANEOUSLY UP, BACK, AND IN... AND YOU GET THE CLUB IN GOOD SHAPE AT THE TOP OR END... unless other things done by the hands, elbow, wrists, etc. jump in there to mess it up.

[strav]

As a an aside, the second picture is a VERY common move and one of the single biggest reasons that people can't square up the face - a bad takeaway that is both too inside and, ironically, overplane, or 'laid off'

Keeping the clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high is the key to fixing this.

Edz I was looking for a better definition for 'laid off' than
"Your club is laid off when it is behind your hands at any point in the swing". In your fix for a bad Takeaway you use the term 'Outside the hands' so would
"Your club is laid off when it is inside your hands at any point in the swing" be a better/correct definition?

[jim_0068]

My defintion of laid off:

At any point in the swing where the sweet spot or the butt end of the club is pointing OUTSIDE the plane line.

That's it.

[strav]

My defintion of laid off:

At any point in the swing where the sweet spot or the butt end of the club is pointing OUTSIDE the plane line.

That's it.

Therefore "Laid off" is an instance of "Off plane" but is
it not possible for the club to be inside/behind the hands and still point at the Plane line?

[tongzilla]

Therefore "Laid off" is an instance of "Off plane" but is
it not possible for the club to be inside/behind the hands and still point at the Plane line?

Of course it is possible for the Clubhead to be inside the Plane Line with the Clubshaft Tracing the Straight Plane Line at the same time.

[birdie_man]

Don't think this is meant to be a sequence - rather posed positions for demonstration purposes only showing how the club can be laid off at various stages in different swings.

Why would he start at that address position tho?

[strav]

Why would he start at that address position tho?

This is where he says you should start but 'If your hands
are an inch too far forward you're already an inch laid off.
So move your hands back until they are directly in front of the zipper on your pants.’
He prefers a perfect isosceles triangle in front of the body.