Bah! Instead of talking about the important points you all are making fun of my English!..
I have bad friends.
Oh stop it! You made a good post. We're just jokin'.
I think Mr. K ambitiously tried to catalog all strokes as well as the principals that govern a truly effective stroke.
I think you and RWH have raised an interesting point . . .
Is TGM the best way to LEARN golf? Most people have never heard of TGM. Most of the elite players in the world probably don't have a clue about TGM or even what they actually do.
So the question is what is the best WAY TO LEARN GOLF? I think we have the BEST information without question with what Mr. K gave us . . . but the question is how to APPLY it . . .
Is TGM the best way to LEARN golf? Most people have never heard of TGM. Most of the elite players in the world probably don't have a clue about TGM or even what they actually do.
So the question is what is the best WAY TO LEARN GOLF? I think we have the BEST information without question with what Mr. K gave us . . . but the question is how to APPLY it . . .
What happened in your experience to change from "nose in book" to "head in game?"
I absolutely LOVE the Machine and I think it has helped me tremendously . . . however I think there is a REASON that some people get it without the book . . . I think that REASON (or whatever it is . . . instincts) is innate in all of us. Some people just LEARN golf more effectively or quicker or something.
There are WAY WAY more people that don't have clue about this stuff that can flat play golf than those that know the book and can actually DO IT.
There are many that succeed in the game INSPITE OF INFERIOR INSTRUCTION than what we have with TGM.
The riddle is WHY IS THAT? What is going on in those peoples' LEARNING process? How do we better access our innate ability to LEARN precise movements required to effectively control the distance and direction of a golf ball?
What happened in your experience to change from "nose in book" to "head in game?"
I absolutely LOVE the Machine and I think it has helped me tremendously . . . however I think there is a REASON that some people get it without the book . . . I think that REASON (or whatever it is . . . instincts) is innate in all of us. Some people just LEARN golf more effectively or quicker or something.
There are WAY WAY more people that don't have clue about this stuff that can flat play golf than those that know the book and can actually DO IT.
There are many that succeed in the game INSPITE OF INFERIOR INSTRUCTION than what we have with TGM.
The riddle is WHY IS THAT? What is going on in those peoples' LEARNING process? How do we better access our innate ability to LEARN precise movements required to effectively control the distance and direction of a golf ball?
You said it best, Bucket -- there are way many more people who don't know the book that can flat out play than do know the book. So what does that tell us? In my opinion, it tells us that there is nothing unique in that book that is necessary for someone to learn how to play good golf. For me, I decided the book was way too much work and very unnessesary for me enjoy the game.
Bucket, I don't know the answer to your question, other than to say I'm convinced that both sides are at fault -- most students don't know how to "learn" and most teachers don't know how to teach.
You said it best, Bucket -- there are way many more people who don't know the book that can flat out play than do know the book. So what does that tell us? In my opinion, it tells us that there is nothing unique in that book that is necessary for someone to learn how to play good golf. For me, I decided the book was way too much work and very unnessesary for me enjoy the game.
Bucket, I don't know the answer to your question, other than to say I'm convinced that both sides are at fault -- most students don't know how to "learn" and most teachers don't know how to teach.
Yeaaaaaaaaah BUT . . .
There are EVEN MORE PEOPLE who DON'T know the book THAT CAN'T PLAY A LICK than those that don't know but CAN.
So what about them people? The book ain't necessary for those with good instincts . . . but I think those that don't "get it" with or without the book are missing something.
I say it's a mix of PROPER TRANSLATION of the concepts in the book and a study of how people LEARN in general. I think that would be the missing link for the CAN'T DO's.
You gave up on self-study of the book but got help from someone who could effectively TRANSLATE what's in there right?
So wouldn't it be translation and the learning how to learn part?
We have exchanged PM's and you are GOOD PEOPLE man. I don't want people to think you "sold out" or something. I just like to see people get better REGARDLESS of how the get'r done ... books, teachers, gadgets, selling the soul to the devil or whatever!
You gave up on self-study of the book but got help from someone who could effectively TRANSLATE what's in there right? So wouldn't it be translation and the learning how to learn part?
Yes, thankfully, I learned a lot of good stuff from others who know the book. But I didn't (and couldn't) get it on my own out of the book. For those that can, God bless 'em. This was my original point in post #4 -- the book is gold in the hands of golf instructors who need to know how all those 24 components fit together in the swing. But your average golfer -- which is about 98% of all golfers -- doesn't need to know all of the stuff in the book. They just need to know what works best for them.
So, that's how I'm approaching it now -- go to the guru if I want some help, but I'm just not reading the book anymore. Leaves me more time to watch my Ron White vids!
What happened in your experience to change from "nose in book" to "head in game?"
I absolutely LOVE the Machine and I think it has helped me tremendously . . . however I think there is a REASON that some people get it without the book . . . I think that REASON (or whatever it is . . . instincts) is innate in all of us. Some people just LEARN golf more effectively or quicker or something.
There are WAY WAY more people that don't have clue about this stuff that can flat play golf than those that know the book and can actually DO IT.
There are many that succeed in the game INSPITE OF INFERIOR INSTRUCTION than what we have with TGM.
The riddle is WHY IS THAT? What is going on in those peoples' LEARNING process? How do we better access our innate ability to LEARN precise movements required to effectively control the distance and direction of a golf ball?
Ahhhh, the difference between knowing and doing.
Ideally you must develop a near daily program that enables to train to the best of your ability. One thing I don't think people do in golf enough is equate the game to a sport. Its a sport that includes fitness and flexability, rigourous training routines tailored around the specific individual.
It doesn't matter what you know - its how you apply it!
Good golfers generally just experiment and pick up things they know help usually under the guidance of the teacher but they are out there actually practicing and eventually they will get a very good level of play. No one ever got better just by reading a book - even if it is as great as The Golfing machine®.
Ideally you must develop a near daily program that enables to train to the best of your ability. One thing I don't think people do in golf enough is equate the game to a sport. Its a sport that includes fitness and flexability, rigourous training routines tailored around the specific individual.
It doesn't matter what you know - its how you apply it!
Good golfers generally just experiment and pick up things they know help usually under the guidance of the teacher but they are out there actually practicing and eventually they will get a very good level of play. No one ever got better just by reading a book - even if it is as great as The Golfing machine®.
These are excellent good points.
So, is it safe to think that, Any good golfer MUST have the ability to apply Good Common sense and the positive attitude what works and what don't work for them to get in the Hole . Regardless the route and journey to learn to play golf?
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So, is it safe to think that, Any good golfer MUST have the ability to apply Good Common sense and the positive attitude what works and what don't work for them to get in the Hole . Regardless the route and journey to learn to play golf?
Heres a quote from Jack Nicklaus - Playing Lessons
Quote:
Build a storehouse of key swing thoughts
Every tour player has a stock of key swing thoughts that he'll draw on as nessesary to keep his game in synch. Generally one will emerge from his mental storehouse during pre-round practice, and he'll stick with it at least for that particular day. Try to build up your own stock of key thoughts and feels, drawing them from your best shot-making periods. Write them down if that's the only way you can remember them. But be disciplined about how many of them you can use on the course. Most people can only concentrate well on one thought at a time.
Also people can't do the same things. If you are fat and out of shape, you might not be able to maintain a stationary head for example, however it is far preferable to physically improve rather than swaying off to the right and saying thats 'your style'. Whatever improves your ability to be consistant. Most people are just too physically out of shape to have a golf stroke that is going to be consistant on the level of the PGA tour guys.
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