Rob has accomplished this with me

[grapegoat]

are there any training aids that would be useful to setting the club more upright

[EdZ]

Practice slow motion backswings with your back against a wall (or a foot or so away). This will help give you the feel of the hands being 'under' the shaft, and the clubhead staying more in front of you, outside your hands until hip high. A bit more bent at the hips may also be helpful to you.

[grapegoat]

i will do the wall trick, i have done this before but the feeling i have had with this is the right wrist staying ontop of the left wrist. as for the plane as i have understud the plane needs to start up the plane of the shaft to hip high then up a slightly steeper plane through the shoulders onto the turned shoulder plane. the way John takes the club back is very similar to this and i have been wondering if i should try to emulate this of a slightly different model. any help has been greatly appreciated and i would love to have more input from others.

[grapegoat]

this is a 4 iron

this is a wedge

here is 2 new vids of where i think everyone is trying to get me to. let me know if this is what everyone is talking about

[mrodock]

this is a 4 iron

this is a wedge

here is 2 new vids of where i think everyone is trying to get me to. let me know if this is what everyone is talking about

That is certainly the idea I had grapegoat, looks good.

Matt