I think that straight line delivery path is an expression that can lead to confusion ... I am confused ...
Using various pro swings on V1 software, I have plotted a consistent part of hand ( pp3) or butt of club on the downswing and there are no straight lines when viewed from face on. There are curves of varying radius but no consistent straight line as one might imagine from looking at the images in 10-23-A.
I have read somewhere that this straight line is actually the line of thrust for directing pp3. This seems to make sense BUT 10-23-0 reads "...these paths are actually the paths taken by the hands - not the clubhead"
I would be grateful if someone could provide images of this true staright line delivery path.
Thanks
Count me in here. IMO, straight line is primarily a mental image and not physically achieveable in a dynamic golf stroke. I have also looked for a true straight line using V1 and it doesn't exist with any pros that I looked at.
Count me in here. IMO, straight line is primarily a mental image and not physically achieveable in a dynamic golf stroke. I have also looked for a true straight line using V1 and it doesn't exist with any pros that I looked at.
I have seen the video where Yoda uses the dowels to show straight line but i am still not convinced that the hands follow this path... i , like you SonicDoom, am waiting for evidence... thrust direction may be straight line feeling but hands travel in curves.
Maybe if viewed down the line the hands might go in a straight line?
The Straight Line Delivery Path, which is made possible by Hip Slide and correct Axis Tilt will allow the hands to move in a straight line, but only for a short distance from Top 8-6 to approximately Downstroke 8-8. The Delivery Path directs the thrust at a specific Aiming Point on the Plane Line.
It maximizes the effect of the Endless Belt Effect.
Delivery Path Graphics -- Prerequisite For Discussion
The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11.
As Golfbulldog and Sonic_Doom have observed, the actual Deivery Path of the Hands is not nearly as 'long' as illustrated. However, as Drew has pointed out, with Axis Tilt, it can and does exist, at least momentarily. And the Delivery Path of the Thrust is always the Straight Line toward the Aiming Point.
For the benefit of all, we need illustrations so we might intelligently discuss this most important concept. To that end, I have asked Annikan to re-post his photos plotting the Line Path from an earlier thread. He will have them up soon.
The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11.
As Golfbulldog and Sonic_Doom have observed, the actual Deivery Path of the Hands is not nearly as 'long' as illustrated. However, as Drew has pointed out, with Axis Tilt, it can and does exist, at least momentarily. And the Delivery Path of the Thrust is always the Straight Line toward the Aiming Point.
For the benefit of all, we need illustrations so we might intelligently discuss this most important concept. To that end, I have asked Annikan to re-post his photos plotting the Line Path from an earlier thread. He will have them up soon.
Thanks in advance, Annikan!
Thanks Yoda and Annikin, if I can see it, better still - feel it, then I am a believer. Look forward to the pics.
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Thanks for the rapid response Annikan and Yoda - I see that PP3 is plotted and the delivery paths of the swings vary accordingly.
I think that the majority of pro players i had assessed earlier ( on V1 software) would fit into a circle delivery path... but varying in radius. More dynamic power hitters having smaller radius... Sergio Garcia must be pretty straight line though~?
I would say that Ben Doyle's downswing has the most obvious straight line. Easy to see because he takes it to the top and not end ( but then if I can make it to start up swivel by Ben's age then I will consider myself lucky !! ).
Ben, I believe, states that he is "pivot powered" but "mind in hands". His hands ( PP3) never leave that straight line until pulley.
No matter what you call it his hands are feeding back ( command post) to his pivot!! No one would ever teach Ben's pivot as it is now ... but it does everything a pivot is required to do = move the hands where they need to go, trace a straight line and sustain lag... the fact that his zone 1 is able to achieve this despite the individual limitations that age has placed upon his body proves, to me at least, that his hands (mind) are truly controlling his pivot!
"The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11. " by Yoda
Now I see it ...thanks.
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I have prepared this photo for you in the hope that it may answer your question.
I chose a swing video of Tiger Woods where the camera was positioned at an angle, that would be more-or-less in line with the direction the hands would follow on their path to their impact location. I then used a spline tool to trace the hand arc path.
You can see that the hand arc path is U-shaped. It is impossible for the left hand to travel in a straight line in a full golf swing - because the left hand is merely the end of the left arm lever, which is swinging from a fulcrum point (left shoulder socket joint). Theoretically, the left hand should swing in a circular arc - if the left shoulder remained stationary in space. However, during the downswing, the left shoulder socket (fulcrum point for the left arm lever) is moving down-out-forward and that changes a circular hand arc path into an U-shaped handarc path.
However, as Yoda stated, it "feels" like one is pulling the hands down in a straight line thrust direction towards an aiming point.
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