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Old 12-07-2006, 11:06 PM
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Plenty of quotes from people saying that you need to keep the head still...but do they all really keep em still...or is it a seems as if type deal?
Do as the 'Greats' have done, Toolish. Heed the instruction of their own teachers -- often their fathers -- and, during your Stroke, keep your Head still.

Ignore all this hair-splitting 'Spine Center versus Head Center' controversy, and just do your best to keep your Head still from Address until well through Impact. It will help your game. Soon, 'staying still' will be a subconcious habit, you will Turn freely in both directions -- if you don't, it is a Pivot problem, not a Head problem -- and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Your Body will have become a Rotor and your Clubhead a 'Wrecking Ball.'

"The attempt and not the deed confounds us."

-- William Shakespeare

But this prescription is not license to become 'ball-bound.' Once the Ball is away, let your Head swivel with the Stroke and move toward your left side into the Finish.

Again quoting Harry Vardon:

"Keep your eye on the ball until you have hit it, but no longer. You cannot follow through properly with a long shot if your eye remains fastened on the ground. Hit the ball, and then let your eye pick it up in its flight as quickly as possible."
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I actually can't believe that in the year 2007 with all the bio mechenical research that teachers are actually still advocating keeping you head still. There is not a person on the PGA Tour that does this. Some may say they do it but I would love to see someone post pictures of a head not moving in the swing.
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:34 PM
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I actually can't believe that in the year 2007 with all the bio mechenical research that teachers are actually still advocating keeping you head still. There is not a person on the PGA Tour that does this. Some may say they do it but I would love to see someone post pictures of a head not moving in the swing.
For the record, swiveling the head on the neck is not "moving the head." That said, if you want to move your head, 47range, then have it. It's okay. After all, you're human. Just move it as little as possible.

Unless, of course, you want to move it a lot.

And that's okay, too.

Back and forth. Or up and down. Or both.

After all, it's your head.

And your swing.

Seriously, golf is all about having fun. And if Swaying and Bobbing is what makes you happy, then go right ahead and do it.

Curtis Strange swayed his way to two consecutive U.S. Open titles. Can't be all bad, right?

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Old 02-16-2007, 10:45 PM
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If it is common knowledge that you can play great golf with a head that moves, why make the statement keep your head still?
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:29 AM
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If it is common knowledge that you can play great golf with a head that moves, why make the statement keep your head still?
What does the research say the head is supposed to do? How much should it move and which way?
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:38 AM
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If it is common knowledge that you can play great golf with a head that moves, why make the statement keep your head still?
It is a peculiarity of mine. I find that, properly understood, a steady head helps most people to play better golf.

It may surprise some to know that, in my teaching, I focus very little on the head. That's because when you swing correctly, the head has little tendency to move.

Something like this (Ernie Els):

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Old 02-17-2007, 02:17 AM
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It is a peculiarity of mine. I find that, properly understood, a steady head helps most people to play better golf.

It may surprise some to know that, in my teaching, I focus very little on the head. That's because when you swing correctly, the head has little tendency to move.

Something like this:

Homer recomended a stationary head in 2-0-A-1. He also referred to this in 1-L-1 and -2.

It is one thing to swivel the head it is another to sway and bob the head. As Lynn mentioned Ballard moved Strange's head (s)way right.

"Precision is recognizing and reconciling minute differentiations."

The spine is not a rod. As it adjusts to the pivot, the head remains a stationary post. Bio-Mechanics prove this. If you think it is a straight rod, then you will have to prepare to move it right- way right and UP.
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Old 02-18-2007, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
It is a peculiarity of mine. I find that, properly understood, a steady head helps most people to play better golf.

It may surprise some to know that, in my teaching, I focus very little on the head. That's because when you swing correctly, the head has little tendency to move.

Something like this:

Interesting video, thanks for digging it out of Youtube vaults... for those not familiar with UK TV golf coverage in 1980s and 90s... the voice is ( or I am pretty certain it is) Alex Hay... a wee scot who used to copresent with Peter Allis much of the BBC TV golf.

I presume that it is the same Alex Hay who wrote the books which borrow/support much of TGM - do a search in the books section and there are many references to the author Alex Hay.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:15 AM
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Interesting video, thanks for digging it out of Youtube vaults... for those not familiar with UK TV golf coverage in 1980s and 90s... the voice is ( or I am pretty certain it is) Alex Hay... a wee scot who used to copresent with Peter Allis much of the BBC TV golf.

I presume that it is the same Alex Hay who wrote the books which borrow/support much of TGM - do a search in the books section and there are many references to the author Alex Hay.
That definitely sounds like Alex Hay. He was associated with the Woburn Golf Club for many years during his time with the Beeb and he was a teacher in his own right too writing many instruction books like you said.
Didn't realise that he had borrowed a few things from TGM either.
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