Startdown

[12 piece bucket]

Imo, there is an awareness, that can be learned, in the relationship of the swinging club(in the backswing) and the wrists being loaded. Not to mention the feet. This also has a bearing on 12 bucket's, of whatever, good question he posed in The Golfing Machine-Basic section.

Feeling wise.....not terminology wise....the speed of the change of direction would seem to me based on the speed of the back move. This, imo, is a relationship that is very personal.

Now, I know i'm no where near as informed as you guys with TGM but I have honestly tried to answer this question, in this post and an earlier post. I also know that it is not good to rob a student of the dignity of self learning. I thank you for that, however, i put myself on the line in an earlier post and would like to know if i was way out of line or, even, just a bit close to answering the original question.

I am interested in learning about the golf swing. I will never be a GSED and i swear to God i hope I never have to stay in a Holiday Inn.

Love and Peace,
spike

I think you are on it. I think Mr. Kelley used the term "quick" in a definite context (I could be wrong).

Quick relative to the hitter's startdown and quick in terms of reaching top handspeed in less time than the hitter.

I'd still like to hear how people load it . . . I think picking up the loading is huge . . . but to me it is more of a subtle deal.

[SECGolf]

I'd still like to hear how people load it . . . I think picking up the loading is huge . . . but to me it is more of a subtle deal.

Exclusive of float-loading, behave in a way from start down to follow through (and on to finish) in order to maintain and continue to load already established (for example - one can resist backstroke motion prior to start down) clubhead lag pressure (clubhead feel). Behavior includes the reaction of the body (reaction of the body can be practiced and trained - per 8-1).

As far as "quick" and not so quick start down, study and look at 2-C, the drawings of arc (swing procedure) and angle (hitting procedure) of approaches. With a quick start down (hurried) look how easy it would be to veer off plane for a hitter and his angle of approach (at top - its almost as if you are "on top" of this steep plane).

[Mike O]

Please . . . . . who are you trying to kid?

Hey Stinkpot . . . instead of puttin' on your "flamesuit" why don't you answer my question? So it's a period of time and a neuroloogicizal dealie . . . but is it gentle, hard or fast ? (This should be good).

If you fed me more than once a day - and I had more than an hour outside everyday- then maybe I would respond!

[spike]

I think you are on it. I think Mr. Kelley used the term "quick" in a definite context (I could be wrong).

Quick relative to the hitter's startdown and quick in terms of reaching top handspeed in less time than the hitter.

I'd still like to hear how people load it . . . I think picking up the loading is huge . . . but to me it is more of a subtle deal.

Thanks for that, 12 piece. As i understand it there are only 3 ways to load. Drive Loading, Drag Loading and Float Loading. Is that about right?

I use more of a Drag Loading style but the feeling in the downswing is very heavy, I think due to my using a sweep release. Does that make any sense? Is this where you are going with the topic?

[12 piece bucket]

Thanks for that, 12 piece. As i understand it there are only 3 ways to load. Drive Loading, Drag Loading and Float Loading. Is that about right?

I use more of a Drag Loading style but the feeling in the downswing is very heavy, I think due to my using a sweep release. Does that make any sense? Is this where you are going with the topic?

Yeah I think so . . . I think if you are more "sweepy" you'll feel heavier because more sweep requires more hand speed to generate the same clubhead speed that a snap release would.

I think "quick" is a problem though. . . .leading to too much loading that can't be sustained for the swinger.

[spike]

The feeling of quick or being out of control in relationship to the shot I want to hit has more to do with the delivery path. If i'm off the line then all kinds of uncontrolable speed takes place.

Getting it started on the right path makes it easier to sustain, for me. As far as a snap release...i have a hard time timing that one so i don't have much experience with it. It would seem aiming point would be crucial.

[6bmike]

The feeling of quick or being out of control in relationship to the shot I want to hit has more to do with the delivery path. If i'm off the line then all kinds of uncontrolable speed takes place.

Getting it started on the right path makes it easier to sustain, for me. As far as a snap release...i have a hard time timing that one so i don't have much experience with it. It would seem aiming point would be crucial.

Ben Doyle says, “Always Quick- Never hurried.” There is a difference.

[12 piece bucket]

The feeling of quick or being out of control in relationship to the shot I want to hit has more to do with the delivery path. If i'm off the line then all kinds of uncontrolable speed takes place.

Getting it started on the right path makes it easier to sustain, for me. As far as a snap release...i have a hard time timing that one so i don't have much experience with it. It would seem aiming point would be crucial.

Good point!

[spike]

I'd like to ask a question....how does the "karate chop" relate to a sweep release?

[12 piece bucket]

I'd like to ask a question....how does the "karate chop" relate to a sweep release?

Kinda does and kinda doesn't . . . if you are using Standard Wrist Action you want your right plam up to the plane and left palm facing the plane. With a snap release you are going to keep that alignment FEEL as if there were no release at all. With a sweep release you still will have the alignment you will just not drag it down as deep and steep. More of a circle type feeling than a straight line deal.