Since the left shoulder moving upwards does this mean the whole primary lever assembly is also moving upwards? - Yes- this is a fact. NO- I don't see it that way- see my understanding above. But if we keep discussing this I should be able to understand your point or you mine.
I do not think so either. The primary lever assembly is staying level. The left shoulder rises but the right shoulder is going downplane. Then as the swing gets to both arms straight, that approximates low point assuming minimal throwaway....
How is that? Too simplistic?
UPP in snowy but warming Ohio
UPP-Here is where I think you missed it and where you got it.
A) You got it - in the regard that you are visualizing the center of the shoulders i.e. the neck/head staying level.
B) Where you missed it- is that the primary lever assembly- is not the entire power package and it is not the center of the shoulders i.e. neck/head- but it is the left arm/shoulder and golf club.
See if that helps - or see if you and I need to have an on-going simultaneous thread - like the one that I'm having with Matthew.
By the way- you are a positive thinker- I like that! OR did they give you back your job on the Ohio Tourism board? "Snowy but warming up" come on Bob! What did it go from -10F to -5 F? That's pathetic!
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Alrighty then.
If the primary lever assembly is left arm and clubshaft, assuming minimal throwaway, the lever is getting considerably longer as it approaches impact as the left wrist uncocks. The distance that the lever is lengthening is larger than the distance the left shoulder is moving upward. Does that sum up your view, Mike?
While Matthew must be saying the left shoulder is moving up more than the primary lever assembly is lengthening prior to and through impact? If that is so, would it not be hard to take divots?
It was sunny here and a lot of snow melted today.....temps in the 40° range forecasted tomorrow! We'll be teeing it up here in no time!
Alrighty then.
If the primary lever assembly is left arm and clubshaft, assuming minimal throwaway, the lever is getting considerably longer as it approaches impact as the left wrist uncocks. The distance that the lever is lengthening is larger than the distance the left shoulder is moving upward. Does that sum up your view, Mike?
While Matthew must be saying the left shoulder is moving up more than the primary lever assembly is lengthening prior to and through impact? If that is so, would it not be hard to take divots?
It was sunny here and a lot of snow melted today.....temps in the 40° range forecasted tomorrow! We'll be teeing it up here in no time!
UPP in snowy Ohio
UPP,
I'm glad you posted that. No, I'm not including the left wrist at all in the equation at this point- just to keep things simple. Does it have some affect- sure but let's agree that as Matthew says it's minimal- in fact- don't even include it in the equation.
I'm saying that the number 7 is the representation of the shoulder line - and the primary lever /, looking face on to a player- say at impact fix. So, we are looking at the primary lever as if it was one single piece - one 2x4.
Now, per one of my previous posts- you took the pencil lead and put it between the "shoulders" i.e. in the middle of the top line of the 7 and then rotated it- the corner of the 7 where they both meet represents the golfer's lead shoulder at address- from the face on view. The slanting leg of the 7 represents the primary lever - from the face on view. Now, like the golfer swinging - the left shoulder of the 7 moves up but the end of the primary lever system i.e. clubhead does not begin to move up until it passes where- ever the shoulder is.
In fact if you have that pencil lead in the middle of the top line and you rotate the 7 clockwise- like the backswing in a golf swing, you can see that the shoulder goes down- while the clubhead goes up. That's the same thing that I am saying is happening on the downswing- at some point halfway down- the shoulder begins to move up in relation to the ground- as it orbits around it's own circle while the clubhead is still moving down.
Here is what started this whole thing- Matthew posted the following: Actually, no it doesn't. This would be true if the left shoulder was stationary, however in the golf stroke the left shoulder is moving in its own little orbit that contains an upwards direction and this brings the low point backwards somewhat.
I read that as if Matthew is saying that since the left shoulder is going up that the clubhead must be going up. Maybe I read that wrong and he'll correct me but since I read it that way- I disagreed for obvious reasons stated here and my previous posts. I see the left shoulder starting to move up - when you're hands are say half way down on the down swing. Just so I can hone in on what he is saying I guess I should ask Matthew when does he see the left shoulder moving up? Matthew- where are you? Holla Back!
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UPP,
I'm glad you posted that. No, I'm not including the left wrist at all in the equation at this point- just to keep things simple. Does it have some affect- sure but let's agree that as Matthew says it's minimal- in fact- don't even include it in the equation.
I'm saying that the number 7 is the representation of the shoulder line - and the primary lever /. So, we are looking at the primary lever as if it was one single piece - one 2x4.
Now, per one of my previous posts- you took the pencil lead and put it between the "shoulders" i.e. in the middle of the top line of the 7 and then rotated it- the corner of the 7 where they both meet represents the golfer's lead shoulder at address- from the face on view. The slanting leg of the 7 represents the primary lever - from the face on view. Now, like the golfer swinging - the left shoulder of the 7 moves up but the end of the primary lever system i.e. clubhead does not begin to move up until it passes where- ever the shoulder is. In fact if you have that pencil lead in the middle of the top line and you rotate the 7 clockwise- you can see that the shoulder goes down- while the clubhead goes up. That's the same thing that I am saying is happening on the downswing- at some point halfway down- the shoulder begins to move up in relation to the ground- as it orbits around it's own circle while the clubhead is still moving down.
Here is what started this whole thing- Matthew posted the following: Actually, no it doesn't. This would be true if the left shoulder was stationary, however in the golf stroke the left shoulder is moving in its own little orbit that contains an upwards direction and this brings the low point backwards somewhat.
I see the left shoulder starting to move up - when you're hands are say half way down on the down swing. I guess I should ask Matthew when do you see the left shoulder moving up? I get the feeling from his quote and posts that maybe he sees it just moving up slightly before where low point would be for a stationary shoulder.
Doesn't the angle in your 7 example change? The accumulator angle seeks it's inline condition right?
Doesn't the angle in your 7 example change? The accumulator angle seeks it's inline condition right?
In the real golf swing- absolutely accumulator 4 would release- move- change. That would only send the clubhead down more- i.e. be an offsetting factor for an "up" move. But in my example with the 7, I'm not taking that into account and I am still saying that:
Just because the intersection of the two lines (the lead shoulder in our golfing "machine" example) moves up in relation to the ground- the bottom of the 7 i.e. the clubhead - doesn't necessarily move up.
Again, I read Matthew's post to imply that if the left shoulder was moving up that the clubhead would be moving up and obviously the last half of any downswing shows that not to be true. Likewise the backswing shows that there is not a direct correlation between what the shoulder is doing and what the clubhead is doing i.e. the shoulder goes down in relation to the ground and the clubhead is moving up- for say at least the first half of the backswing if not more.
Hopefully, with all of my posts- Matthew can come back with where he or/and I miscommunicated, made a mistake, took something out of context, etc. As long as we make headway- I don't care what kind of headway it is!
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