I'm doing a disservice.....you're the one with Tom Tomasello demonstrating it on video in the gallery of this site.
Lynn....you need to watch the videos of Tommy....eventhough he is throwing/karate chopping from the top the clubhead is not going into it's release orbit. I believe that's why we have seen a change in the release component in the 6th to 7th edition....where the change went from 10-24-B to 10-24-E (even on your first phone call to Homer....Homer told Tommy to concentrate on Longitudinal acceleration...it's lengthwise acceleration). It's an automatic release. Watch letter series #2 video..you can't be a good student if you don't watch the instruction!!!
DG,
Your post has about as many confused concepts as it does lines, and I refuse to waste my time correcting them. I will, however, expose (and correct) the most egregious error relevant to this thread.
The Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 / Drive [Radial] Loading and 12-2-0 / Drag [Longitudinal] Loading) were introduced with the 4th Editon. The Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) was the designated Release Trigger (Component #20) for Drive Loading and the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E) was the designated Variation for Drag Loading. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED! Not from the 4th to the 5th editions. Not from the 5th to the 6th editions. And certainly not from the 6th to the 7th editions.
In fact, in ALL the Stroke Patterns of ALL seven editions, NEVER ONCE has the Right Arm Throw been associated with Longitudinal Loading. The truth is that it has ALWAYS been associated with DRIVE Loading.
DG, your continued blatant disregard for The Golfing Machine as written by Homer Kelley and studied by Authorized Instructors and interested amateurs around the world is inconsistent with the mission of this website. Given your 'time in grade', to say that I am disappointed is an understatement. If these outrageous (and seemingly deliberate) inaccuracies continue, my only recourse will be to limit your posts to a dedicated thread prefaced by my own Caveat Emptor warning.
Your post has about as many confused concepts as it does lines, and I refuse to waste my time correcting them. I will, however, expose (and correct) the most egregious error relevant to this thread.
The Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 / Drive [Radial] Loading and 12-2-0 / Drag [Longitudinal] Loading) were introduced with the 4th Editon. The Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) was the designated Release Trigger (Component #20) for Drive Loading and the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E) was the designated Variation for Drag Loading. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED! Not from the 4th to the 5th editions. Not from the 5th to the 6th editions. And certainly not from the 6th to the 7th editions.
In fact, in ALL the Stroke Patterns of ALL seven editions, NEVER ONCE has the Right Arm Throw been associated with Longitudinal Loading. The truth is that it has ALWAYS been associated with DRIVE Loading.
DG, your continued blatant disregard for The Golfing Machine as written by Homer Kelley and studied by Authorized Instructors and interested amateurs around the world is inconsistent with the mission of this website. Given your 'time in grade', to say that I am disappointed is an understatement. If these outrageous (and seemingly deliberate) inaccuracies continue, my only recourse will be to limit your posts to a dedicated thread prefaced by my own Caveat Emptor warning.
Wow....I wish I could say more...but this is your website and I'm you sure you would delete my response. Did you and Tommy have a falling out. I can't believe you were friends at the end.
Your post has about as many confused concepts as it does lines, and I refuse to waste my time correcting them. I will, however, expose (and correct) the most egregious error relevant to this thread.
The Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 / Drive [Radial] Loading and 12-2-0 / Drag [Longitudinal] Loading) were introduced with the 4th Editon. The Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) was the designated Release Trigger (Component #20) for Drive Loading and the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E) was the designated Variation for Drag Loading. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED! Not from the 4th to the 5th editions. Not from the 5th to the 6th editions. And certainly not from the 6th to the 7th editions.
In fact, in ALL the Stroke Patterns of ALL seven editions, NEVER ONCE has the Right Arm Throw been associated with Longitudinal Loading. The truth is that it has ALWAYS been associated with DRIVE Loading.
DG, your continued blatant disregard for The Golfing Machine as written by Homer Kelley and studied by Authorized Instructors and interested amateurs around the world is inconsistent with the mission of this website. Given your 'time in grade', to say that I am disappointed is an understatement. If these outrageous (and seemingly deliberate) inaccuracies continue, my only recourse will be to limit your posts to a dedicated thread prefaced by my own Caveat Emptor warning.
Wow....I wish I could say more...but this is your website and I'm you sure you would delete my response. Did you and Tommy have a falling out. I can't believe you were friends at the end.
Even before Tommy shook Homer's hand....he had 48 hours worth of phone conversations on audio tape. Wow....must have been a wealth of knowledge in those 48 hours let alone the 8 12 hour days that he spent with Homer in his master class that he also caught on audio tape. I really don't know how Tommy could've have gone wrong. And even Golf Illustrated interviewed him...something good must have been happening in those Swinging, Hitting and Advanced schools. I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure....
GI:What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?
Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball higher and straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling a touch left or drawing fractionally as it descends.
Imagine that...surely none of us want that.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-01-2008 at 09:13 PM.
I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure....
DG wrote-: "Even before Tommy shook Homer's hand....he had 48 hours worth of phone conversations on audio tape. Wow....must have been a wealth of knowledge in those 48 hours let alone the 8 12 hour days that he spent with Homer in his master class that he also caught on audio tape. I really don't know how Tommy could've have gone wrong. And even Golf Illustrated interviewed him...something good must have been happening in those Swinging, Hitting and Advanced schools. I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure...."
This is a totally irrational argument. One's ability to understand TGM is not directly proportional to the amount of time a TGM enthusiast spent with HK, or the number of hours he personally spent thinking about TGM teachings. There is a confounding variable in this simplistic cause-and-effect equation - the intellect of the TGM enthusiast and his mental ability to correctly digest HK's ideas. When DG states that he doesn't know "how Tommy could have gone wrong", it only reflects his personal bias and his inability to mentally entertain alternative perspectives. I would greatly respect DG's opinions if he could describe TT's ideas using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. However, he never attempts to describe TT's ideas - he simply states that the "evidence" is clearly evident in TT's articles/videos/audio tapes. That's like the church scientists of the Vatican who clearly believed that the earth was flat (because of their biblical teachings) and who didn't think that alternative perspectives (Galileo's belief that the earth was round) could possibly be correct.
DG wrote-: "Even before Tommy shook Homer's hand....he had 48 hours worth of phone conversations on audio tape. Wow....must have been a wealth of knowledge in those 48 hours let alone the 8 12 hour days that he spent with Homer in his master class that he also caught on audio tape. I really don't know how Tommy could've have gone wrong. And even Golf Illustrated interviewed him...something good must have been happening in those Swinging, Hitting and Advanced schools. I'll let the members of this forum be the judge. Oh, btw, a number of the top University Golf Coachs studied with Tommy at his Myrtle Beach studio....even sent complementry notes after their instruction. Go figure...."
This is a totally irrational argument. One's ability to understand TGM is not directly proportional to the amount of time a TGM enthusiast spent with HK, or the number of hours he personally spent thinking about TGM teachings. There is a confounding variable in this simplistic cause-and-effect equation - the intellect of the TGM enthusiast and his mental ability to correctly digest HK's ideas. When DG states that he doesn't know "how Tommy could have gone wrong", it only reflects his personal bias and his inability to mentally entertain alternative perspectives. I would greatly respect DG's opinions if he could describe TT's ideas using TGM terminology and TGM mechanics/biomechanics. However, he never attempts to describe TT's ideas - he simply states that the "evidence" is clearly evident in TT's articles/videos/audio tapes. That's like the church scientists of the Vatican who clearly believed that the earth was flat (because of their biblical teachings) and who didn't think that alternative perspectives (Galileo's belief that the earth was round) could possibly be correct.
Jeff.
Jeff,
Review the Letter Series and the Australian Series- especially Chapter 2 and Chapter 5 - it's all there!!! You need to watch it at least 100 times before you understand the details. If you want the article from Golf Illustrated - PM me and I'll send it to you - Go Tommy YEE HAW!!!
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Jeff,
Review the Letter Series and the Australian Series- especially Chapter 2 and Chapter 5 - it's all there!!! You need to watch it at least 100 times before you understand the details. If you want the article from Golf Illustrated - PM me and I'll send it to you - Go Tommy YEE HAW!!!
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
It's interesting....one minute you're saying how much you appreciate my input on this site and now you're giving me a hard time because of new information about swinging from Tommy that goes against your instruction.....talk about lack of crediblity....in my book it's the worst kind.
For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
DG
Dave,
You've summarized the whole problem and what everyone has been trying to tell you. Glad you finally figured it out. Don't worry too much about it - you had the same problem with Tommy. PM me when you get your next degree.
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For the four the years that I have been reading your posts....I've learned nothing. Zippo...
It's interesting....one minute you're saying how much you appreciate my input on this site and now you're giving me a hard time because of new information about swinging from Tommy that goes against your instruction.....talk about lack of crediblity....in my book it's the worst kind.
DG
Dave,
You must be the only member on this site, instructors included, who hasn't learned anything from Lynns 7000 + posts. It begs the question, why are you here?
Of course the answer is to promote Tom's teaching.
We are happy to promote Tom as well and don't have any problem with his teaching - The problem lies with your interpretation of Toms teaching. Your statements are always peppered with "I believe" this is what Tom meant, and those types of inferences can be challenged.
There is a living teacher here (who owns this site) with very deep and factual insights on TGM. I believe I'll listen and interact with him. Since you haven't listened to other instruction going back to the TGM site Chuck was running, you might consider starting your own commercial website.
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