The red line doesn't represent the spine angle. It represents a line drawn from a point just above the lower swing center (midpoint between the pelvis) and the center of the head, and it roughly represents the slant of the upper torso away from the target. I think that the spine is situated behind he red line, but very close to being parallel to that line.
Here is a view of Hogan from behind and one can clearly see his rightwards tilted spine, although his right thigh slants left-upwards -that gives him the reverse K position.
One can see where his lower lumbar vertebrae are, and roughly where the base of the neck is situated. A straight line drawn between the lowest lumbar vertebrae and the base of the neck has a rightwards tilt and therefore the spine must have an overall rightwards tilt. However, the upper thoracic spine is always verticalised in a golfer who has a big shoulder turn that torques the upper thoracic spine. That gives the spine a S-shaped (spiralised) appearance, which often leads to unresolved debate about where the spine is precisely located.
Jeff,
Thanks for this Start Down rear view.
Homer Kelley defined 'balance' as keeping the Center of Gravity "Inside the Stance (Glossary). Please draw a line from the Pivot Center (Top / Turned Head or Point-Between-the-Shoulders) to 'Between the Feet' as you deem fit).
NOT Yoda . . . but most of that spine is left . . . Looks like the upper and lower are pretty much lined up. AND this is Hogan . . . you can find pictures of Hogan that support different pivot theories. Hogan manipulated his pivot for the shot at hand. And as Lynnard commented earlier . . . . I'm not sure this is a "true" top pic . . . it's startdown. There are several swings in the Hogan Collection that show Hogan's spine tilting left. Hogan definitely made swings with true Hula Hula on BOTH sides (back and thru). Hogan's hips probably went more FORWARD than anyone that has ever teed it up.
__________________
Aloha Mr. Hand
Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand
Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 12-08-2008 at 07:57 AM.
Bucket, if this video is of you in a grass skirt, I'm not clicking....
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
If everyone on the forum donates $5 we can get that Hula Studio you always wanted turned from dream to reality.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
I am a big fan of Mr. Trolios book, and of these swing pictures of Mr. Hogan. How would we define this swing component in The Golfing Machine as far as VJ's theory?
My first thought was changing component 10-14 to 10-14-D Reverse Hips, but perhaps 10-14-C Shiftless is more applicable. Am I even using the proper thought process?
Apologies in advance if it's a silly question, just trying to learn...
Thanks,
Kevin
__________________
I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
"I'm not sure this is a "true" top pic . . . it's startdown."
I think it is closer to top. Which is the point VJ makes in his book. He is over there before he starts down. Which does make it top. You can tell when you see the video, the shaft is not stressed yet when his lower body is already shifted.
So he get its over there, then starts down. I believe Vj has the sequence correct.
"I'm not sure this is a "true" top pic . . . it's startdown."
I think it is closer to top. Which is the point VJ makes in his book. He is over there before he starts down. Which does make it top. You can tell when you see the video, the shaft is not stressed yet when his lower body is already shifted.
So he get its over there, then starts down. I believe Vj has the sequence correct.
Maybe . . . .
But what I will say is IF Hogan has created proverbial "PIE" at Top (which I'm not sure he has by strict definition) . . . he HAS NOT DONE IT by moving his head off the ball like some sort of Jimmy Ballard type move.
IF he makes it . . . it's because his hips went forward at some point NOT because his upper body went right.
AND again . . . . you can find swings were Hogan doesn't do that move in the backstroke.
But the thread was about Hula Hula . . . . Hogan's head doesn't "load" right much typically but his hips do go right and then back left again . .. and then they continue going left as much as anybody that has laced 'em up. . . . HULA HULA.
B. J. Hathaway, G.S.E.B., M.C.I.
Hybrid Mode
