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Old 02-04-2006, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mb6606
Use a square square stance. Cut shot therapy teaches one to use the right forearm angle of approach. The hands go down and out dismissing the flight/target line. The clubhead goes in to out. The cut comes from using an angled hinge.

Use your dowels to practice pitching. One dowel each for toe line, target line and angle of approach.
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10-5-E is a "closed-closed" guide line. So the target line would be facing left of the plane/stance line. And wouldn't a cut shot procedure require a vertical hinge? That's why cut shot therapy has always confused me.

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Old 02-04-2006, 12:34 PM
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MB,

10-5-E is a "closed-closed" guide line. So the target line would be facing left of the plane/stance line. And wouldn't a cut shot procedure require a vertical hinge? That's why cut shot therapy has always confused me.

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There are 3 lines...The Plane Line, Stance Line and the Target Line.

Per 1-L-19: "Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel." That is your 10-5-A Square Square Plane Line. I would like to direct your attention to the pictures.

The one closest to Diane is the Stance Line. The next closest is the Inclined Plane Line and the farthest is the Target Line.

The target line can and must be rotated to be in line with your intended target. It is moveable. I believe this should clarify your doubts.

But remember, the Plane Line and Stance Line must be rotated in tandem with the Target Line otherwise a new plane line (10-5) will be established.

The Inclined Plane Line is the line that you trace and per 3-F-5, the "Plane Line (10-5) must be verified before every shot as long as the game is played."
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Old 02-04-2006, 01:57 PM
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Doh!
Originally Posted by comdpa
Help is always at hand in LBG.

There are 3 lines...The Plane Line, Stance Line and the Target Line.

Per 1-L-19: "Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel." That is your 10-5-A Square Square Plane Line. I would like to direct your attention to the pictures.

The one closest to Diane is the Stance Line. The next closest is the Inclined Plane Line and the farthest is the Target Line.[/b]
help at hand in unexpected places!...the above helps answers my question in:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...26&postcount=8

what is the third point to define the inclined plane?...it's the bottom of the shaft!...THANKS!

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Old 02-04-2006, 02:18 PM
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The Fixed Target Line
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The target line can and must be rotated to be in line with your intended target. It is moveable.
The term Target Line always refers to the Flight Line, the straightaway direction of Aim. The term Flight Path refers to the total ball behavior (including any curve) on its way to the Target (7-3). The Target Line is dictated by circumstance and is immoveable.

Stance Line and Plane Line are moveable and can be aligned (in relation to the fixed Target Line) to produce any one of the nine Plane Line - Stance Line Combinations (three Stance Lines to each of the three Plane Lines per 10-5-0). The Plane Line - Stance Line Combination selected will reflect the player's Basic Stroke Pattern or its Variation, psychological preference, the intended Ball Behavior (Flight Path) or all three.

As a special note to those who have gone nuts trying to crack the code of CCW and CW in 10-5-0, the terms mean Counter Clockwise and Clockwise.
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Old 02-04-2006, 07:47 PM
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The term Target Line always refers to the Flight Line, the straightaway direction of Aim. The term Flight Path refers to the total ball behavior (including any curve) on its way to the Target (7-3). The Target Line is dictated by circumstance and is immoveable.

Stance Line and Plane Line are moveable and can be aligned (in relation to the fixed Target Line) to produce any one of the nine Plane Line - Stance Line Combinations (three Stance Lines to each of the three Plane Lines per 10-5-0). The Plane Line - Stance Line Combination selected will reflect the player's Basic Stroke Pattern or its Variation, psychological preference, the intended Ball Behavior (Flight Path) or all three.

As a special note to those who have gone nuts trying to crack the code of CCW and CW in 10-5-0, the terms mean Counter Clockwise and Clockwise.
Thanks Yoda for elaborating that Stance Line and Plane Line are always classified in relation to Target Line.

When I referred to Target Line being "moveable", I really meant that people ought to look at 10-5 and know that the target line is not really pointing way right or way left of their target but at the target.

That was hard to get for me initially - what is not stated in the book was that Mr. Kelley's garage was so tiny that he had to take certain shots from a "misleading" angle".
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Originally Posted by Yoda
The term Target Line always refers to the Flight Line, the straightaway direction of Aim. The term Flight Path refers to the total ball behavior (including any curve) on its way to the Target (7-3). The Target Line is dictated by circumstance and is immoveable.

Stance Line and Plane Line are moveable and can be aligned (in relation to the fixed Target Line) to produce any one of the nine Plane Line - Stance Line Combinations (three Stance Lines to each of the three Plane Lines per 10-5-0). The Plane Line - Stance Line Combination selected will reflect the player's Basic Stroke Pattern or its Variation, psychological preference, the intended Ball Behavior (Flight Path) or all three.

As a special note to those who have gone nuts trying to crack the code of CCW and CW in 10-5-0, the terms mean Counter Clockwise and Clockwise.
Yes, Yes, this is one of the things I have been fighting.

Is it correct to say the Line of Flight is the Flight Line?

I have been assuming that it is based on 7-5/10-5.

The only thing that has driven me bonkers is 2-F paragraph 3 where it is stated "Whenever the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane (7-5/10-5 Plane Line as I understand it) which is usually (but not always) the Line of Flight also."

This tells me that after I have accepted the Flight Line (Line of Flight) as the Target Line, that it now being referenced as the base line of the Inclined Plane which by 7-5/10-5 this can not be...

I really thought, believed that the Line of Flight, Flight Line and Target Line were all the same line based on the references used, but this 2-F is confusing.

Help....
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I believe in the 2nd or 3rd edition ...Homer referred to the Line of Flight in regards to the Clubface....I could stand to be corrected due to not having those editions here in front of me...but at my office.....I will double check on Monday...
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Old 02-05-2006, 12:01 AM
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I believe in the 2nd or 3rd edition ...Homer referred to the Line of Flight in regards to the Clubface....I could stand to be corrected due to not having those editions here in front of me...but at my office.....I will double check on Monday...
In the latest version he does have several reference to the Line of Flight and the clubface (2-E, 1-L-17,2-N-0[?]), can't recall the others...
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:43 AM
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Bump in hope of some response to post #22 questions..
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:18 AM
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Yes, Yes, this is one of the things I have been fighting.

Is it correct to say the Line of Flight is the Flight Line?

I have been assuming that it is based on 7-5/10-5.

The only thing that has driven me bonkers is 2-F paragraph 3 where it is stated "Whenever the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane (7-5/10-5 Plane Line as I understand it) which is usually (but not always) the Line of Flight also."

This tells me that after I have accepted the Flight Line (Line of Flight) as the Target Line, that it now being referenced as the base line of the Inclined Plane which by 7-5/10-5 this can not be...

I really thought, believed that the Line of Flight, Flight Line and Target Line were all the same line based on the references used, but this 2-F is confusing.

Help....
Marty,
If you are hitting straight shots, that is - you are not fading or drawing the ball, then the flight line, target line, plane line are all pointing in the same direction. So "Usually"- means hitting a straight shot.
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