When a Weakness Turns Into a Weapon

[Richie3Jack]

I am currently unemployed. I used to work in the field of sales/data analysis and statistics.




3JACK

[gmbtempe]

Richie,

I am glad you got your transplant and have taken up the game again, golf is better with you around!

I saw you got into a pretty good thread with Brian M on hitting and swinging a week or so ago, till our friend Jeff jumped in and got it closed down (errrr, not saying he was right or wrong, it just always happens). I dont like how he deleted other peoples posts and cherry picked the info so I might have missed some of your posts compared to what I read today.

I understood what Brian was saying that there is no true hitter or swinger and what feels like hitting is invariably still a swinging motion. I guess what I don't understand is for a guy who seems to promote patterns of swinging a club he is so opposed to using a hitting stroke, which to me could be just as much one of his patterns as NSA. Its also disconcerting to hear him say how trying to hit has ruined many a golfer, as you know I am digging into hitting.

I really studied the hitting posts around here all weekend and made a serious attempt to hit last night, too many changes to implement to make any determination but I can say for certain I did not go from 85% to 65% power as he suggested in that thread. What caught me by the biggest surprise is even with new impact fix hands which made the club look open at address I was still pulling the ball, is that the typical miss hitting, a pull or pull cut?

[KevCarter]

Richie,

I am glad you got your transplant and have taken up the game again, golf is better with you around!

I saw you got into a pretty good thread with Brian M on hitting and swinging a week or so ago, till our friend Jeff jumped in and got it closed down (errrr, not saying he was right or wrong, it just always happens). I dont like how he deleted other peoples posts and cherry picked the info so I might have missed some of your posts compared to what I read today.

I understood what Brian was saying that there is no true hitter or swinger and what feels like hitting is invariably still a swinging motion. I guess what I don't understand is for a guy who seems to promote patterns of swinging a club he is so opposed to using a hitting stroke, which to me could be just as much one of his patterns as NSA. Its also disconcerting to hear him say how trying to hit has ruined many a golfer, as you know I am digging into hitting.

I really studied the hitting posts around here all weekend and made a serious attempt to hit last night, too many changes to implement to make any determination but I can say for certain I did not go from 85% to 65% power as he suggested in that thread. What caught me by the biggest surprise is even with new impact fix hands which made the club look open at address I was still pulling the ball, is that the typical miss hitting, a pull or pull cut?

I think the study of 2-J-1 and 2-J-2 and 2-J-3 would be of great benefit. You must understand these sections to learn where to drive that magic right forearm.

Kevin

[gmbtempe]

I think the study of 2-J-1 and 2-J-2 and 2-J-3 would be of great benefit. You must understand these sections to learn where to drive that magic right forearm.

Kevin

Thanks, I got the book on order. I bought it on ebay from some GSEM, first one was lost shipping according to USPS, second was the wrong address so going on three weeks.....maybe its a sign on TGM for me

I will be sure to check out those sections, thanks.

[KevCarter]

Please shoot me your email address:

kevinpgapro1234@mac.com

Kevin

[gmbtempe]

I think the study of 2-J-1 and 2-J-2 and 2-J-3 would be of great benefit. You must understand these sections to learn where to drive that magic right forearm.

Kevin

Kevin,

Read through the sections, Section 2-J-1 AND 2-J-2 were pretty clear to understand, obviously implementation will take some work, but section 2-J-3-B, while I understand the concept of the cross line thrust my question is what do you use for the direction of the thrust? Its obviously down, out, forward but its my thinking that this is a little bit different than an aiming point concept as explained in Clampetts book?

[KevCarter]

Kevin,

Read through the sections, Section 2-J-1 AND 2-J-2 were pretty clear to understand, obviously implementation will take some work, but section 2-J-3-B, while I understand the concept of the cross line thrust my question is what do you use for the direction of the thrust? Its obviously down, out, forward but its my thinking that this is a little bit different than an aiming point concept as explained in Clampetts book?

gmbtempe,

While I truly love TGM, I am just learning, and around these parts, I am the village idiot. I would prefer to have one of the many experts answer your question. I will learn from their answer as well.

Kevin

[Richie3Jack]

What caught me by the biggest surprise is even with new impact fix hands which made the club look open at address I was still pulling the ball, is that the typical miss hitting, a pull or pull cut?

As Yoda has mentioned, you don't need to have impact fix when hitting. Yoda doesn't do it...I don't either. Impact or mid-body with the hitting procedure is preferential. I only ue impact fix when I want to keep the ball low. One of the things I love about impact fix is that you can clearly see the right forearm flying wedge and just maintain that wedge throughout the swing.

But again, impact or mid-body hands are preferential. I prefer mid-body because I can more easily use the right forearm takeaway with that.

As far as the pull, that's probably my most common leave. I do come down on the Turned Shoulder Plane which is common for hitters IIRC and since that is a bit steeper of a plane, the leave is likely to the left. You may be doing the same thing.

As far as hitting vs. swinging goes, in my experience most teachers...even TGM AI's avoid teaching hitting. I hear a lot of 'only 10% of golfer are meant for hitting' and stuff like that. I certainly do not buy that or have yet to see evidence that can convince me that's true. Especially since hitting is known best for golfers with a lack of flexibility and it's not like I am seeing a bunch of yoga instructors when I go out to the range. So if an instructor is against hitting, get used to it.




3JACK

[O.B.Left]

Im seeing Hitters all over the place now. Swingers who thrust. Even little kids, women you name it, if the lever is too heavy for them they push it with there dominant side I guess. Whether you agree with me or not as to their numbers you have to agree that these types are ignored by swing centric golf magazines. In fact most tips are contra indicated for the hitter Id say. Let the hitter beware.

[gmbtempe]

One of the things I love about impact fix is that you can clearly see the right forearm flying wedge and just maintain that wedge throughout the swing.

But again, impact or mid-body hands are preferential. I prefer mid-body because I can more easily use the right forearm takeaway with that.

Yes, you really have the wedge set up with impact fix and there is little manipulation which I definitely like but.....

as you say its definitely harder to work the right forearm takeaway, and really hard to have any fanning motion.

I kind of feel like a doctor in a lab experimenting trying to come up with the right combination,...its kind of fun from that aspect (fun, not always easy)