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Old 03-09-2010, 11:23 PM
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Hi! Let me thank you for the encouraging post!


I am shocked by the power and repeatability of the hitting motion with the trail arm!

This is my second day using it on the range after reading the right arm magic pdf kindly given to me by Kevin.

I started the day hitting small chips with impact hands and then extended the chips to longer more distant targets on the range. The balls flew straight at the targets unless my hands flipped.

At times I could feel as if I was pushing both hands right at the ball almost punching the ball almost 200 yards with my 3 wood.

I ran into trouble with my 14 degree or 3+ wood and driver. Out of frustration I decided to pull with my left hand and push with my right to my front big toe and the ball held its line as at rocketed to its first bounce near the 200 yard marker and beyond.

My front leg is 1.5 inches shorter so I think I don't need to start down with planting my front foot but tomorrow I'll try that and also try carrying the pivot and hands pulling/pushing left. As it is, I'm thrilled.

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You want to start the pushing up plane action with the right hand and the pulling down plane action of the left hand at the end of the take away or when you start cocking the left wrist up or when you start folding the right elbow letting this action cock the left wrist for the back swing. Also the pushing action from the right hand is from the index and thumb pp#3 and the pulling pressure is from the last three fingers of the left hand pp#2. This feel is like what is described in TGM as pulling on both ends of a rope.

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

You do not want to use a pushing out force with pp#1 at all when doing this action on the back swing and some might have a little bit of separation of the right heel pad off of the left thumb. This is ok as it will reconnect on the down swing and does not change alignments.

You do not need to pinch the grip hard with the index and thumb of the right hand but have enough firm pressure in the index and thumb of the right hand to push up without the right hand sliding up the grip.

As you start the down swing you have a few options.

Here are 3 options I teach with a ¾ back swing. There are more possibilities depending on back swing length and release point.


1. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand just prior to the release.

2. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand about half way down where the shaft is vertical and start adding thrust with the right arm straightening from pp#1 the pad of the right hand pushing against the left thumb towards the ball through impact to the end of follow through.

3. Just prior to the release you can pull harder with the last 3 fingers of the left hand towards the left pocket while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction while applying the thrust from pp#1 towards the ball. This will produce maximum power but takes some practice to get the sequence correct. This action will have the feel of the hands moving left through impact.

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Old 03-13-2010, 01:33 AM
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You want to start the pushing up plane action with the right hand and the pulling down plane action of the left hand at the end of the take away or when you start cocking the left wrist up or when you start folding the right elbow letting this action cock the left wrist for the back swing. Also the pushing action from the right hand is from the index and thumb pp#3 and the pulling pressure is from the last three fingers of the left hand pp#2. This feel is like what is described in TGM as pulling on both ends of a rope.

True extensor action is achieved using PP#3 pushing up plane and pp#2 the last fingers of the left hand pulling down plane. In TGM book the opposing pressure is from the left shoulder joint. It is much more precise if the pulling is from the last 3 fingers of the left hand and it will feel like an isometric exercise when done correctly with the right hand over powering the left a little on the back swing and the left overpowering the right a little on the down swing.

During the down swing it is important that the pull from the left hand is produced with the down swing pivot and not just a pull of the left arm.

You do not want to use a pushing out force with pp#1 at all when doing this action on the back swing and some might have a little bit of separation of the right heel pad off of the left thumb. This is ok as it will reconnect on the down swing and does not change alignments.

You do not need to pinch the grip hard with the index and thumb of the right hand but have enough firm pressure in the index and thumb of the right hand to push up without the right hand sliding up the grip.

As you start the down swing you have a few options.

Here are 3 options I teach with a ¾ back swing. There are more possibilities depending on back swing length and release point.


1. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand just prior to the release.

2. You can relax the up plane pressure from the right hand about half way down where the shaft is vertical and start adding thrust with the right arm straightening from pp#1 the pad of the right hand pushing against the left thumb towards the ball through impact to the end of follow through.

3. Just prior to the release you can pull harder with the last 3 fingers of the left hand towards the left pocket while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction while applying the thrust from pp#1 towards the ball. This will produce maximum power but takes some practice to get the sequence correct. This action will have the feel of the hands moving left through impact.

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Hello John,

I read the above after having been through the following. While dry-swinging in the gymhall I incidentally pinched my left thumb a little harder than usual in the backswing. I felt immediately that it must be a good thing to add this little power to the extensor action push with my heelpad. When I tried at the range to combine pp#1 push with a small pp#3 pinch I got a fascinating feeling of control. The hit sounded like stonesmashing and I think I came to another break through in my swing. I have to add that I have begun to start my backswing slower and in more control.
Your description of what should happen and how it should feel is among the best I have read. I have though a question. At the end you give three alternatives. In the third you say that " while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction". Does this mean that you still pull at the two ends of the rope at release?

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Old 03-14-2010, 11:58 PM
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Hi Hans and John! I think we are all on the same page


John, I get it, imho. My shorter front leg which I shift to like I think Yoda does , sort of presets #2 pp (last 3 fingers of left hand) because as I pull my left arm up with my right elbow, my left heel rises and I let it. My artificial left hip is stiff and planting or bumping forward slings the left arm in motion while I am simply focused on my right heel palm crushing into the ball.

Is it TMG logical?

I can do it regularly and want to do it better!




Originally Posted by hansli View Post
Hello John,

I read the above after having been through the following. While dry-swinging in the gymhall I incidentally pinched my left thumb a little harder than usual in the backswing. I felt immediately that it must be a good thing to add this little power to the extensor action push with my heelpad. When I tried at the range to combine pp#1 push with a small pp#3 pinch I got a fascinating feeling of control. The hit sounded like stonesmashing and I think I came to another break through in my swing. I have to add that I have begun to start my backswing slower and in more control.
Your description of what should happen and how it should feel is among the best I have read. I have though a question. At the end you give three alternatives. In the third you say that " while pushing hard with pp#3 opposing this direction". Does this mean that you still pull at the two ends of the rope at release?

From a wintry westcoast of Sweden

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Old 03-15-2010, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post


John, I get it, imho. My shorter front leg which I shift to like I think Yoda does , sort of presets #2 pp (last 3 fingers of left hand) because as I pull my left arm up with my right elbow, my left heel rises and I let it. My artificial left hip is stiff and planting or bumping forward slings the left arm in motion while I am simply focused on my right heel palm crushing into the ball.

Is it TMG logical?

I can do it regularly and want to do it better!
It worked pretty well for a gentleman named JACK for a very long time!

Teach, EVERYTHING is TGM logical. No right, wrong, best. Focus on the imperatives and everything else is fair game. The fewer compensations the better, but you have to do what works for you and your body.

I really like the idea of starting with the basic pattern, 12-1, IN THE 6th EDITION, and make changes as needed from there.

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Thanks Kevin, John for the insights!
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