How much Cen Force

[Daryl]

Since I found TGM and began using it,I for some reason have always strived to achieve FLW "at top" of swing and relied on it through the entire swing through to finish. That being said,I came across the double wrist-cock 10-18-B,This endorses the wrist being bent at top of stroke (I believe it can add to B/swing length or clubhead travel would be more to the point,as I see it,its a valid stroke componant so long as the club is allowed to find its own in line condition at or very near impact.

Is this correct,Im really getting involved in the swingers pattern the help Im getting here is giving me a real head start into swingers pattern and Im enjoying it thanks in advance

While the Flying Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, each degree of Left Wrist Bend will inversely Flatten the Right Wrist. This increases "Velocity" by decreasing (sacrificing) Mass. The "closer to the Ball" (delayed release) the less Mass (increased Velocity).

That "feeling" you have of needing to allow it "to find its own in-line condition at or very near Impact" is "Mechanically" correct. As the Left Wrist Uncocks, it is also Flattening, and the Right Wrist is correspondingly/simultaneously "Bending". During the Impact Interval, the Left Wrist is Flat and the Right Wrist is Bent.

Once CF begins to pull on the Clubhead, it will control the Orbit. Any Hand Manipulation at Release will "Stifle" CF. Which brings us back to the beginning of it all: "Dead Hands".

[brownman]

Everything is going great guns in the Swing so far,But my concern is that I seem to be making a very hard task of getting to release "Load Intact",I am trying very very hard to get in correct position withoutlosing lag.
I am trying to get in the "Hogan" release position,No secret here that Im using Hogans book in conjunction with TGM,Now,I am starting my downswing from ground-up and have tightened my pivot somewhat,R/hip back.....L/hip back,but somehow,Im still losing lag,is there some drill that will seperate hip and shoulders but still working as one,Im not too far away,as Ive hit some great shots,but its consistancy Im seeking........any help please.....cheers and thanks in advance.....BM

[drewitgolf]

Everything is going great guns in the Swing so far,But my concern is that I seem to be making a very hard task of getting to release "Load Intact",I am trying very very hard to get in correct position withoutlosing lag.
I am trying to get in the "Hogan" release position,No secret here that Im using Hogans book in conjunction with TGM,Now,I am starting my downswing from ground-up and have tightened my pivot somewhat,R/hip back.....L/hip back,but somehow,Im still losing lag,is there some drill that will seperate hip and shoulders but still working as one,Im not too far away,as Ive hit some great shots,but its consistancy Im seeking........any help please.....cheers and thanks in advance.....BM

Try rotating your Pivot from the Top slower. Over-accelerating and Over-Loading the Pivot will cause you to Release sooner than you would like as well as cause Balance issues.

[brownman]

Thanks Drew,I never saw your post before I went for hit.
What I did today that was different from the norm,was to keep R elbow tucked in a bit more,ala Ben H,that change in itself brought on a complete different "feel",it felt so much more compact and the big thing I found was my hands were more in front of my torso,and I was able to get into the release pos easier.
That was early this morn,I have to do some work now,but will try it deeper later.....Again thanks...

[MizunoJoe]

Everything is going great guns in the Swing so far,But my concern is that I seem to be making a very hard task of getting to release "Load Intact",I am trying very very hard to get in correct position withoutlosing lag.
I am trying to get in the "Hogan" release position,No secret here that Im using Hogans book in conjunction with TGM,Now,I am starting my downswing from ground-up and have tightened my pivot somewhat,R/hip back.....L/hip back,but somehow,Im still losing lag,is there some drill that will seperate hip and shoulders but still working as one,Im not too far away,as Ive hit some great shots,but its consistancy Im seeking........any help please.....cheers and thanks in advance.....BM

There is some seriously BAD advice in 5L, which may be the cause of your problem, namely the feel of throwing the basketball toward the target. It's OK as long as the pivot alone does the throwing, but most do it with an independent arm/hand effort.

Any effort of the arms/hands towards the target is steering, which causes all sorts of problems, especially lag loss.

[brownman]

As the heading states,Im getting confused "again",yes I do agree with you in so far as he does use hands "hard",As my topic header states,"how much cen force", so,.. I do actually have more "lag" with full centrifugal swing and they in simple terms a better feeling stroke with compression,but, I could be wrong here,so correct me if Im wrong....one of Lynns vids with golfgnome regarding release,I thought Jeff stated that he gripped with tight grip and hit down into impact "hard" hence my confusion friend.

I did state I could be wrong,wont be a first time for me lol.
I wont advance past this point in my practice until Im sure of what is the right course........cheers again and thanks

[MizunoJoe]

As the heading states,Im getting confused "again",yes I do agree with you in so far as he does use hands "hard",As my topic header states,"how much cen force", so,.. I do actually have more "lag" with full centrifugal swing and they in simple terms a better feeling stroke with compression,but, I could be wrong here,so correct me if Im wrong....one of Lynns vids with golfgnome regarding release,I thought Jeff stated that he gripped with tight grip and hit down into impact "hard" hence my confusion friend.

I did state I could be wrong,wont be a first time for me lol.
I wont advance past this point in my practice until Im sure of what is the right course........cheers again and thanks

That's the key word, down. Hands go down, but the forward arcing of the clubhead comes from the pivot. For the Turned Shoulder Plane Swing, it's simple, just drive pp#3 down plane towards the inside of the ball(or another nearby aiming point) using the right shoulder. For the Turning Shoulder Plane, you drive the hands downward to a suitable aiming point as the shoulders turn flatter. In any case, it's CF alone that uncocks the left wrist after it drives, or is driven by the pivot, to release point.

[innercityteacher]

As the heading states,Im getting confused "again",yes I do agree with you in so far as he does use hands "hard",As my topic header states,"how much cen force", so,.. I do actually have more "lag" with full centrifugal swing and they in simple terms a better feeling stroke with compression,but, I could be wrong here,so correct me if Im wrong....one of Lynns vids with golfgnome regarding release,I thought Jeff stated that he gripped with tight grip and hit down into impact "hard" hence my confusion friend.

I did state I could be wrong,wont be a first time for me lol.
I wont advance past this point in my practice until Im sure of what is the right course........cheers again and thanks

Do Hogan's left hand on club check with a short thumb. It works for set-up and the whole swing or hit.

ICT

[brownman]

That's the key word, down. Hands go down, but the forward arcing of the clubhead comes from the pivot. For the Turned Shoulder Plane Swing, it's simple, just drive pp#3 down plane towards the inside of the ball(or another nearby aiming point) using the right shoulder. For the Turning Shoulder Plane, you drive the hands downward to a suitable aiming point as the shoulders turn flatter. In any case, it's CF alone that uncocks the left wrist after it drives, or is driven by the pivot, to release point.

Thank you again guys for your clearing the fog for me,as I now see it,cen force rules.As for Mr Hogans swing,I do not wish to replicate his swing ....Im not that good,but the tucked in elbow in backswing has helped me immensly ,I was obviously chicken winging to an extent .
Just one more thing if I may,Im assuming if I needed more ooomph in my swing for whatever reason,without breaking any "laws",I would add R/elbow thrust on release to aiming point?
Thanks again........

[MizunoJoe]

Thank you again guys for your clearing the fog for me,as I now see it,cen force rules.As for Mr Hogans swing,I do not wish to replicate his swing ....Im not that good,but the tucked in elbow in backswing has helped me immensly ,I was obviously chicken winging to an extent .
Just one more thing if I may,Im assuming if I needed more ooomph in my swing for whatever reason,without breaking any "laws",I would add R/elbow thrust on release to aiming point?
Thanks again........

Yes, you can thrust your hands downward using the arm muscles, including the right tricep, as long as you keep the wristcock intact for CF to do the uncocking. Shoot the loaded wrist and turn hard through impact! I can't prove it, but I believe it's the most powerful way to Swing with a hand controlled pivot.