1) Peek at my 06 Magic of the Right Forearm document. There are passages of other teachers including YODA explaining how to get that Right Forearm on plane at address.
2) It takes away the need for more compensations.
"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." -- LYNN BLAKE
3) Absolutely. Except for the Imperatives.
"I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it." -- HOMER KELLEY
4) Here is what Mr. Kelley said towards the end. I believe this would include the TSP...
"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."
• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).
• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.
• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.
5) Good question. I'll leave that one for the others.
As always, just my opinions, please see my signature. I will sit back and learn from the others along with you.
Kevin
I have 3 imperatives for the newbie and one "essential."
A recent seeker asked why the Right Forearm should not be considered a G.O.L.F.Imperative, since "if it is On-Plane, the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club) is also On-Plane." Good question. Here's the answer:
The Three Imperatives are those hammered-down G.O.L.F. absolutes that control the Three Functions (Clubface, Clubhead, and Clubshaft) through the Three Stations (Address, Top, and Finish).
Imperative #1. Per 1-L #4, the Hinge Assembly controls the precision alignment of the Clubface. The responsibility of executing precision Hinge motions rests solely with the Flat Left Wrist.
Imperative #2. Per 1-L #7, #10 and #11, 6-C-1 #3, and 6-C-2-0, the #3 Pressure Point controls the Clubhead Lag Pressure. Hence, the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point earns the rank of an Imperative.
Imperative #3. Finally, per 1-L #16, the Straight Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line-of-Flight. While the Right Forearm has the very important responsibility of tracing the Plane Line -- and thereby maintaining the Clubshaft (or more accurately, the Sweetspot) On-Plane -- it is not the Plane Line itself.
So, the Right Forearm is a very important weapon in the Player's arsenal for precison G.O.L.F. But, since it is not the ultimate control of any one of the Three Functions, it cannot be considered an Imperative.
This should clear the fog on the immediate question and offer insights on countless others as well.
Starting points!
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Those who have visited The Archives Forum (first year of Yoda's posts) have no doubt noticed some anomalies:
First, we were unable to bring in the actual date posted, so the dates you see bear no relation to reality. Some have the date they were brought into the Archives (many on several such 'global' dates). And for some reason unknown to me, some feature dates as early as 1970, thirty-four years before I began writing!
Second, there is no post title. The original titles were not brought in and are now lost to history. This is painful for me, because my titles are both fun and functional.
Third, the post import did not retain the original formatting. Worse, the words are often 'stuck' together. It's better than nothing, of course, but it's still an eyesore for me and an inconvenience for our readers.
Finally, after 8,761 posts, I write better, and I relish the opportunity to edit my past work. I would preserve the content, but sharpen its presentation.
Recently I asked for volunteers to help me organize this vast body of work since January 2004. I'm happy and proud to say that five brave souls have embraced the challenge. Soon, our hardy band will get to work. They'll do the organizing, and I'll do the editing. It won't be easy, but it will be worthwhile.
Meanwhile, I briefly revisited my post quoted above by ICT. I didn't change any content, but I did correct the formatting errors and eliminated a bit of wordiness. It's still not perfect.
Following Yoda, Daryl , and Kevin's tips for Swings and Hits.
Originally Posted by Daryl
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.
If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.
I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.
I went to Impact Fix using 4 of Mac monitors to LOOK, LOOK, LOOK and back to Standard Address. I bent my right elbow but kept right wrist LEVEL. Then I straightened my right elbow hoping to get to the TSP. (Is that how I get to TSP?)
When going to what I hope is TSP or more "TSPish," my right forearm and the club shaft seemed to be on the same plane. My right arm was at 90 degrees to the club shaft. By bending my right elbow, using RFT, my club came up to shoulder level after tracing the BLP (Base Line of the Plane). I checked the position by extending the club shaft to see if it did indeed point to the BLP and it did.
The Plane is so steep that the Vertically Cocked Left Wrist seems balanced on a pinpoint. A slight bump of the hips forward and the club head smashes into the ground, hard. I experimented with the Horizontal Hinge and wide, stable stance. The club face seems to rotate and close. With an Angle Hinge and a Hitting stroke the club head shallows and lays back a bit.
The problem for me was that when I first started reading about TGM, there was just too much information! You might be reading this and saying to yourself "I'm smart (Not like you or Sonny but I'm smart! I was passed over Mikey! I was your older brother and I was passed over! How do you think that made me feel?)"
Seriously, to read the info is one thing and that is daunting. To apprehend the information by practicing is impossible to do without a guide. Now I had a very good TGM teacher who knew or had taught almost every system from Ledbetter to TGM, but he was not a proponent of RFT, though a very effective teacher. LBG is another level of detail completely. I would ask questions having to go through my learning process and my AI would say that's not important, just do this. His point was that he would teach me a swing I could shoot par with and he could. But my point was that I wanted to know TGM. John didn't want to waste my time or money. I had to know though, what TGM was and is. John gave me a TGM tool kit and I wanted the Ph. D.
I now see John's point. TGM can be a simple tool kit. it could be 52 toolkits, one for each week of the year. But I want and need to understand the whole puzzle.
Impact Fix is the key.
As Daryl and Kevin have pointed out, the goal of a golf swing/hit is Impact with a FLW.
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.
If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.
The right forearm gives support and power, precision and power to the wedges whether Hitting or Swinging. That elegant structure, the Power Package can reduce compensations to nil thus maximizing anyone's power.
What I still don't get is how to KNOW I'm on the TSP. I also don't understand why the Ben Doyle fellas are so into CF. Maybe it's as simple as Chocolate versus Strawberry.
ICT
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What I still don't get is how to KNOW I'm on the TSP. I also don't understand why the Ben Doyle fellas are so into CF. Maybe it's as simple as Chocolate versus Strawberry.
ICT
Pay attention at Impact Fix. Does the Shaft point to your Belt Buckle or Lower Sternum? Elbow Plane or TSP?
The two Planes don't look too different. But look at his right wrist in the Photo below. It's Uncocked. His Right Forearm Wedge is aligned to the Elbow Plane and his hands are Raised. If he had a Level Right Wrist while his Clubshaft was aligned to the orange angled line, then his RFW and his shaft would be on the TSP.
See how his Right Forearm points so much downward? It's not on the Correct Angle of Approach for the TSP. That requires a compensation which is an Uncocked Right Wrist in his case. If he keeps his Right Elbow where it is, and moves his hands forward slightly, and gets a slightly more turned right wrist, it would be Level. His Right Forearm wouldn't point down as much as it does in this Photo Sequence. I'm not talking about the "Two Inches" and I know that he hasn't reached Impact. I'm Talking about an Alignment.
He needs to learn how to Align the Wedges at Impact Fix with Level Wrists. It's pretty much as simple as that.
Third, the post import did not retain the original formatting. Worse, the words are often 'stuck' together. It's better than nothing, of course, but it's still an eyesore for me and an inconvenience for our readers.
Great.
Good to know. I thought it was caused by a man typing like mad. When I copy something I want to have on my PC, I have seperated the words to make it more readable. It actually takes a little time, but it's worth it.
Pay attention at Impact Fix. Does the Shaft point to your Belt Buckle or Lower Sternum? Elbow Plane or TSP?
The two Planes don't look too different. But look at his right wrist in the Photo below. It's Uncocked. His Right Forearm Wedge is aligned to the Elbow Plane and his hands are Raised. If he had a Level Right Wrist while his Clubshaft was aligned to the orange angled line, then his RFW and his shaft would be on the TSP.
See how his Right Forearm points so much downward? It's not on the Correct Angle of Approach for the TSP. That requires a compensation which is an Uncocked Right Wrist in his case. If he keeps his Right Elbow where it is, and moves his hands forward slightly, and gets a slightly more turned right wrist, it would be Level. His Right Forearm wouldn't point down as much as it does in this Photo Sequence. I'm not talking about the "Two Inches" and I know that he hasn't reached Impact. I'm Talking about an Alignment.
He needs to learn how to Align the Wedges at Impact Fix with Level Wrists. It's pretty much as simple as that.
TSP Right Forearm AOA
EP Right Forearm AOA
Elegant and very helpful! As per h'abitude!
ICT
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-06-2011 at 06:48 PM.
Hi Everyone. I learned about this site, DelphiForums.com, home of the SpeeChain products from the search engine and archives of my friends at LynnBlakeGof.com I have a thread there, "Learning and Applying TGM with Disabilities by a 21 hcp." With Lynn's Forum, My GHIN hcp is now 10.9.
However, last night, playing in an indoor league, I was very embarrassed. The simulator recorded my swing speed at 87 mph. My longest drive of the night was 192 yards. The 65 year old man next to me was regularly carrying the ball 240 yards and the 40 year old man in our group was hitting the ball 350 plus.
I have an artificial left hip and a left leg almost 1.75 inches shorter than my right leg. I am 53 in another month. I am 5-11" and weigh 240 lbs.
I will buy your Speed chain and Torso trainer as funds allow, and will see if I can loose weight, I have started on Weight Watchers (lost 3 lbs so far), and increase my swing speed.
My best shots last night came as I tried to emulate Fred Couples. I did a RFT and tried to slowly snap my club head off at the bottom. My best competitive round ever was last August emulating Moe Norman's swing and shooting a 84 on a course I have never seen. That Moe Norman motion was simply extending my arms like Moe did, and Pivoting back and through.
Last night? With my 8 hcp. adjustment on Oyster Bay in SC. was 92/84
I rely a lot on my hybrids, par 3's and short game during a round, as you can see.
I'm hoping your products are as effective for me as others indicate they are for them! Sorry guys, I cannot get these columns to line up!
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Hi Everyone. I learned about this site, DelphiForums.com, home of the SpeeChain products from the search engine and archives of my friends at LynnBlakeGof.com I have a thread there, "Learning and Applying TGM with Disabilities by a 21 hcp." With Lynn's Forum, My GHIN hcp is now 10.9.
However, last night, playing in an indoor league, I was very embarrassed. The simulator recorded my swing speed at 87 mph. My longest drive of the night was 192 yards. The 65 year old man next to me was regularly carrying the ball 240 yards and the 40 year old man in our group was hitting the ball 350 plus.
I have an artificial left hip and a left leg almost 1.75 inches shorter than my right leg. I am 53 in another month. I am 5-11" and weigh 240 lbs.
I will buy your Speed chain and Torso trainer as funds allow, and will see if I can loose weight, I have started on Weight Watchers (lost 3 lbs so far), and increase my swing speed.
My best shots last night came as I tried to emulate Fred Couples. I did a RFT and tried to slowly snap my club head off at the bottom. My best competitive round ever was last August emulating Moe Norman's swing and shooting a 84 on a course I have never seen. That Moe Norman motion was simply extending my arms like Moe did, and Pivoting back and through.
Last night? With my 8 hcp. adjustment on Oyster Bay in SC. was 92/84
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: South Dakota
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Originally Posted by Yoda
There have been a number of inquiries regarding purchase of the SpeedChain. LBG is not yet prepared to offer these through its own Pro Shop. However, we have made arrangements for direct purchase through Z2Golf and its principal, Zane Swenson (TrainChain). I've asked Zane to post the purchase details for those interested. Also, we've arranged for LBG members will receive a 10 percent discount on the retail cost (not including shipping).
Regarding whether or not the Chain delivers the results promised, I have not been working with it long enough to know if I've gained any additional clubhead speed. I do know that I experience a sense of lag and drag as with no other training aid I've tried. And, I have never experienced the sustained feel of #3 Lag Pressure Point Pressure as deep into the Follow-Through and Finish as I do with the SpeedChain. For me, if these two benefits are all I get out of it, then that is quite enough. They will translate into increased distance, even without an increase in Clubhead Speed (which, if it comes, I will consider a 'freebie').
Thanks Lynn. For those interested you can go to www.z2golf.com and click on the speed chain page. Mention that you are a LBG forum member and you will get the discount.
By the way Lynn, nice pic of Brian Gay. I watched him on the range for quite a while in Milwaukee. Love his swing, no wasted motion in that golf swing!
Z
Time for more "mad golf scientist" stuff!
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 01-10-2011 at 12:28 PM.
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Source of speed a long post
I have just started working out with the speedchain as yoda has said the lag and feel of the chains is remarkable. But like others on this forum I questioned if it work for me since I have pivot issues . I decided to call a 70 year old instructor who specializes on clubhead speed. That 70 year old can swing the club now at 127 mph!! I told him about my disability and the inability to rotate my hips and that I could not see how I could be able to get the speed I needed. His answer was speed is generated by the arms and hands. The faster you move them in both directions on plane the longer the ball will go. He uses 3 different types of training to build your speed up. The first is the swing chain which has been discussed. The second is a device called the xlr8r (accelerator) which is shaft with a ball on the end of it that has velcro on half of the ball. You swing the club as fast as you can and hit a pad that has velcro on it and has some resistance. If you swing the club on plane with a square clubface the club will stick and you must try to complete the followthru. You use the speed radar with the tempo and you work on speeding the tempo, making consistent contact and ending in a proper finish. In minutes when I tried this I increased my clubhead speed 10 mph. The resistance of the pad really makes you active muscles you do not normally use and the quicker tempo has been shown to correlate to distance. Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.
Thus both devices the swing chain and the xlr8r are devices that you swing fast with resistance in effect. The swing chain is constant the xlr8r is after impact so you naturally accelerate through or you wont't finish with the pad over the back. Besides these benfits Ben prefers this product because he believes people get the hit instinct and casting problems etc. when there is a ball there .
Finally he is working with a shaft with just surgical tubing at the end and you swing that like a whip. For those who think the 2mph rotation of the hips generates the power just swing that stick and focus on rotation versus arms and hand speed it will be clear what will make it snap the fastest.
Finally Ben has had people generate more speed swinging on stools with only arm and hand movements . As ben states the number one purpose of the body is to be a stable base to support the swinging motion.
Bens style is unique but he gets results. I am not preaching you see him I am just trying to say that he has a number of success stories in this area and if he believes and teaches and gets results by saying just swing those arms and hands as fast as you can you will train yourself to hit the ball furthur than you thought possible. By the way when when I video my swing There is no way when I look at the video that I can tell that when I swing my arms and thus my hands that I am not rotating my core and turning my shoulders and when I finish my chest is at the target that you can tell this was a direct result of just moving the hands. Well maybe that is what hands controlled pivot is all about.
Ernest jones in swing the clubhead stated that if you swing the clubhead per his definition that all the body movement and actions that happen are just the result of the proper swinging motion and many of his students did very well. A number of professionals do give credit for much of their success just from this book.
Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.
Also there are 4 accumulators 3 of which relate to the arms and hands. Also why was the body one given the last number.
Just food for thought
Dave
Last edited by davel : 07-14-2007 at 08:39 PM.
Thanks Dave! Thanks LBG!
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