Delayed Release -- Hitters Vs. Swingers

[Yoda]

Originally posted by MizunoJoe
I'd like to see someone duplicate, in geometry AND results, a max trigger delay, max lag Swing with a Hitting motion. I don't believe it's possible. In other words, if a player's Swing and Hitting procedure look the same AND produce essentially the same result, his Swing uses an auto or non-auto sweep release.

MJ,

Both Swingers and Hitters delay their Release for Maximum Power. This is the Sameness (1-K). The Difference is that Swingers Load and Delay the Release of their Left Wrist. Hitters Load and Delay the Release of their Right Elbow.

Many Swingers have experienced the Feel of the Delayed Left Wrist Throw. Few have ever experienced the Feel of the Delayed Right Elbow Drive. Until they do, they will simply never understand...

[Trig]

Few have ever experienced the Feel of the Delayed Right Elbow Drive. Until they do, they will simply never understand...

When you say delayed right elbow drive, are you saying delaying the deliberate straightening of the right arm?

I thought we should be constantly applying extensor action throughout the entire motion, including the downstroke. How do you delay it then?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Few have ever experienced the Feel of the Delayed Right Elbow Drive. Until they do, they will simply never understand...

When you say delayed right elbow drive, are you saying delaying the deliberate straightening of the right arm?

I thought we should be constantly applying extensor action throughout the entire motion, including the downstroke. How do you delay it then?

The Hitter's Extensor Action of the Right Triceps is a Below Plane Stretching Action (applied against the Left Thumb) that does not move the Left Arm. It is a Non-Accelerating Thrust that supplies Power Package Mass (6-C-0-2).

In contrast, the Right Elbow Drive is an Accelerating Thrust (6-C-0-1) directed On Plane (1-L-#10/#11) that actively Drives the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) and Sweet Spot through Impact. This Motion is anything but a 'gentle Stretching' of the Left Arm. Instead, it is a decisive -- even rigid (7-1) -- Thrust! that Uncocks both the Right Elbow and the Left Wrist.

Make no mistake: It is the Basic Drive of the Hitter's Stroke.

[golfingrandy]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Few have ever experienced the Feel of the Delayed Right Elbow Drive. Until they do, they will simply never understand...

When you say delayed right elbow drive, are you saying delaying the deliberate straightening of the right arm?

I thought we should be constantly applying extensor action throughout the entire motion, including the downstroke. How do you delay it then?

With Hitting, the driving does not and should not take place until the right forearm is on plane. Think about it, when you turn the right forearm is not on plane with the plane. The clubshaft is on plane with the plane. So as part of the Flying Wedges, when that right forearm gets back on plane, you can now apply that precious and precise driving on plane force.

So what do most golfers fight? They fail to get the right forearm on plane which in turn means they do not get the force on plane. They then come in to high with the right forearm and in return they must flip the club for if they did not...they would flat out miss the ball.

Homer expresses with mush clarity the other name he should have and could have used for his work. "Plane GOLF"

One more tip. The Flying Wedges dictate that the right arm must always be on the aft side of the club.

Hope this aids a small bit.

Randy

[Yoda]

With Hitting, the driving does not and should not take place until the right forearm is on plane. Think about it, when you turn the right forearm is not on plane with the plane. The clubshaft is on plane with the plane. So as part of the Flying Wedges, when that right forearm gets back on plane, you can now apply that precious and precise driving on plane force.

So what do most golfers fight? They fail to get the right forearm on plane which in turn means they do not get the force on plane. They then come in to high with the right forearm and in return they must flip the club for if they did not...they would flat out miss the ball.

Homer expresses with mush clarity the other name he should have and could have used for his work. "Plane GOLF"

One more tip. The Flying Wedges dictate that the right arm must always be on the aft side of the club.

Hope this aids a small bit.

Randy

Most of us here already know it, but for the newbies and for the record: Here is another guy that deserves your serious attention!

Thanks Randy!

[Richw]

Originally Posted by Trigolt

Originally Posted by Yoda Few have ever experienced the Feel of the Delayed Right Elbow Drive. Until they do, they will simply never understand... When you say delayed right elbow drive, are you saying delaying the deliberate straightening of the right arm? I thought we should be constantly applying extensor action throughout the entire motion, including the downstroke. How do you delay it then?

With Hitting, the driving does not and should not take place until the right forearm is on plane. Think about it, when you turn the right forearm is not on plane with the plane. The clubshaft is on plane with the plane. So as part of the Flying Wedges, when that right forearm gets back on plane, you can now apply that precious and precise driving on plane force.

Randy

If I understand this correctly, extensor action, as per 6-c-0-2, is purely the stretching of the left arm and 6-c-0-1 is the thrust applied by the right forearm. And the thrust is not applied until the right forearm is on plane, which should be when the forearm is almost at hip height. Good so far?

If I am correct, then the first 6-8" down from the top is merely the pull from the hip slide?

[Trig]

With Hitting, the driving does not and should not take place until the right forearm is on plane. Think about it, when you turn the right forearm is not on plane with the plane. The clubshaft is on plane with the plane. So as part of the Flying Wedges, when that right forearm gets back on plane, you can now apply that precious and precise driving on plane force.

So what do most golfers fight? They fail to get the right forearm on plane which in turn means they do not get the force on plane. They then come in to high with the right forearm and in return they must flip the club for if they did not...they would flat out miss the ball.

Homer expresses with mush clarity the other name he should have and could have used for his work. "Plane GOLF"

One more tip. The Flying Wedges dictate that the right arm must always be on the aft side of the club.

Hope this aids a small bit.

Randy

Randy - this helps a LOT. Thanks!

And Yoda, thanks for the tip on extensor action being a below-plane application and not a one that applies any thrust to the hit.

[golfingrandy]

If I understand this correctly, extensor action, as per 6-c-0-2, is purely the stretching of the left arm and 6-c-0-1 is the thrust applied by the right forearm. And the thrust is not applied until the right forearm is on plane, which should be when the forearm is almost at hip height. Good so far?

If I am correct, then the first 6-8" down from the top is merely the pull from the hip slide?

Rich,

The following may sound incomplete or I should say, you may be looking for more but lets think about it. Contrary to some popular beliefs, some of these are in "the know" as it pertains to Homer and The Golfing Machine, the Right Forearm supplies nothing as it pertains to force. Huh? Yep, forearms are used for gripping things (It is great when one has friends in the medical field and they play golf for free at your club ). Though Homer may not have been a doctor, he never the less got it right. Would you expect anything less. NO!

More importantly, when does one begin to drive? Can one view a location to monitor? The answer is yes. This is very good news for golfers. Again, think about it. For the Right Forearm to get on plane, what needs to first be on plane? You betcha'! The right elbow. Now the a biggie! What straightens the right elbow? The right tricep. Now do a search in your book about triceps. Rich, there is no fog here on the beach. Darn, is that where a so called "Bash" is going to be held? LOL!!!

Hope this helps a little more.

Randy

[MizunoJoe]

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Originally posted by MizunoJoe I'd like to see someone duplicate, in geometry AND results, a max trigger delay, max lag Swing with a Hitting motion. I don't believe it's possible. In other words, if a player's Swing and Hitting procedure look the same AND produce essentially the same result, his Swing uses an auto or non-auto sweep release.

MJ,

Both Swingers and Hitters delay their Release for Maximum Power. This is the Sameness (1-K). The Difference is that Swingers Load and Delay the Release of their Left Wrist. Hitters Load and Delay the Release of their Right Elbow.

Even assuming that the Hitter's delayed release point gives an above-the-horizontal shaft position, which matches that of the Swinger, the Right Elbow has no chance to match CF's speed in getting the shaft to the in-line condition. From release to Impact, the max lag, snap release Swinger moves the clubhead the same distance in less time. In the real world, the Swinger moves the clubhead a GREATER distance in less time, because I believe that a max delay Hitter's shaft is probably, at best, horizontal to the ground at release.

[Anonymous]

The driving action in right arm swinging or true hitting comes from the right forearm....per 1-F. The triceps supply muscle power but the trigger is the right forearm. I guarantee you, if you start focusing on your triceps to drive the club through impact you will eventually create a condition of automatic clubhead throwaway and generate flat golf shots....no power!!! IF you don't believe me....let her rip with tricep thrust. I believe you will not find one phrase in the book that says right tricep thrust.....you will find right tricep muscle power and right tricep speed....all thrusting comments are exclusively right forearm....just checkout section 7-3....right forearm thrust is mentioned and no where will you find right tricep thrust or a driving right tricep.

That's why section 10-20 is called trigger types...something has to trigger the release of the power package!!!

DG