Down, Out + Forward
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01-23-2005, 03:22 PM
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Down, Out + Forward
I've read this over and over on the forums but I don't think I'm fully defogged.  It sounds easy enough but...
I've heard the term "swing to right field" is this a good image to have? This is probably a silly question, but I'm having trouble with hooks when I try to visualize this at the range.
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01-23-2005, 06:56 PM
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Inside-Out Stroke Versus Inside-Out Impact
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Originally Posted by Richw
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I've read this over and over on the forums but I don't think I'm fully defogged. It sounds easy enough but...
I've heard the term "swing to right field" is this a good image to have? This is probably a silly question, but I'm having trouble with hooks when I try to visualize this at the range.
Thanks!
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There's right field, Rich...and there's the crowd downing hot dogs to the right of the foul line. If those folks watch you swing and start yelling "Incoming!"...you are officially Under Plane, i.e., coming at the Ball too much from the inside, thereby producing an Inside-Out Stroke. But not to worry, because if the Blade is anywhere near Square as you move through Impact, that Ball ain't headed Right. We're talkin' clotheshanger Blue Darters here.
This is in contrast to the correct On Plane Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger) Tracing down the Plane Line from Impact Point to Low Point. This correct Plane Line Tracing produces only an Inside Out Impact (1-L-13/15/16) -- not an Inside-Out Stroke -- and perfectly straight Shots. There is a difference.
And that difference is measured in the decibel level from the Tee Box:
Fore Left!!
Study 2-F (the Inclined Plane); 2-N-0 (the Clubhead Line-of-Flight); and 2-J-2 (Inside-Out Impact).
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01-23-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: Inside-Out Stroke Versus Inside-Out Impact
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Originally Posted by Richw
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I've read this over and over on the forums but I don't think I'm fully defogged. It sounds easy enough but...
I've heard the term "swing to right field" is this a good image to have? This is probably a silly question, but I'm having trouble with hooks when I try to visualize this at the range.
Thanks!
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There's right field, Rich...and there's the crowd downing hot dogs to the right of the foul line. If those folks watch you swing and start yelling "Incoming!"...you are officially Under Plane, i.e., coming at the Ball too much from the inside, thereby producing an Inside-Out Stroke. But not to worry, because if the Blade is anywhere near Square as you move through Impact, that Ball ain't headed Right. We're talkin' clotheshanger Blue Darters here.
This is in contrast to the correct On Plane Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger) Tracing down the Plane Line from Impact Point to Low Point. This correct Plane Line Tracing produces only an Inside Out Impact (1-L-13/15/16) -- not an Inside-Out Stroke -- and perfectly straight Shots. There is a difference.
And that difference is measured in the decibel level from the Tee Box:
Fore Left!!
Study 2-F (the Inclined Plane); 2-N-0 (the Clubhead Line-of-Flight); and 2-J-2 (Inside-Out Impact).
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So, it isn't so much the club head moving inside out as it is the club face, being slightly open, contacting the ball on the inside aft quadrant?
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01-23-2005, 10:15 PM
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Coming Home
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Originally Posted by Bigwill
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So, it isn't so much the clubhead moving inside out as it is the clubface, being slightly open, contacting the ball on the inside aft quadrant?
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You're gaining on it, Bigwill. You keep on truckin,' and we'll keep on fillin' in the blanks!
At Impact Fix (7-8 ) you erect your selected Inclined Plane Angle (Club shaft Control) -- ideally the Turned Shoulder Plane (10-6-B) -- and align the Clubface (2-J-1) in accordance with the desired Hinge Action (Club face Control) -- slightly Open for Horizontal Hinge Action (Swinging) and slightly Closed for Angled Hinge Action (Hitting).
The whole object of the Stroke is then to return to these pre-set, precision alignments with the required Power (Club head Control) and then to Drive through Impact to Both Arms Straight. It's as simple as that.
And you either do it...
Or you don't.
If you do...
It's a good thing.
If you don't...
It's not.
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01-23-2005, 10:28 PM
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LOL, I'm one of the people in the bleachers downing the hotdogs!
And again I've been lead astray  Thank heavens for your help and your new site Yoda.
I was hitting some smother hooks and pull hooks at the range today, wondering what the heck happened. I'll study those sections again. I guess from trying to eliminate the blocks and push fades, I got to much to the inside.
I got a full lenght mirror today and will get the dowels tomorrow. Back to basics 
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01-23-2005, 11:17 PM
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Re: Coming Home
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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You're gaining on it, Bigwill. You keep on truckin,' and we'll keep on fillin' in the blanks!
At Impact Fix (7-8 ) you erect your selected Inclined Plane Angle (Clubshaft Control) -- ideally the Turned Shoulder Plane (10-6-B) -- and align the Clubface (2-J-1) in accordance with the desired Hinge Action (Clubface Control) -- slightly Open for Horizontal Hinge Action (Swinging) and slightly Closed for Angled Hinge Action (Hitting).
The whole object of the Stroke is then to return to these pre-set, precision alignments with the required Power (Clubhead Control) and then to Drive through Impact to Both Arms Straight. It's as simple as that.
And you either do it...
Or you don't.
If you do...
It's a good thing.
If you don't...
It's not.
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Much fog lifted. Time for some serious plane work...
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01-24-2005, 01:02 AM
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Miles To Go Yet
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Originally Posted by Bigwill
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Much fog lifted. Time for some serious plane work...
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Terrific, Bigwill.
The good news is that TGM is the journey of a lifetime. And we each have ...
"Miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep."
-- Robert Frost
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01-24-2005, 09:57 AM
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This concept of striking the ball with a down, out, and forward Impact with the clubhead on it's way to low point on a straight plane line, is THE KEY to a true understanding of a proper golf stroke. This should be foremost in your mind when constructing a golf stroke.
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01-24-2005, 06:08 PM
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Yoda needs no compliments from me...but, how awesome is this information? I started teaching with a shot glass full of information. After meeting Yoda, I have the ocean!
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For those less fortunate, Swinging is an option.
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03-03-2005, 01:24 AM
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Man this stuff is great.do we need to discuss the role of the left arm PULLING during the swing.we seem to talk about the right arm most of the time.i know how important the right arm is but i think to help get to a great impact position the left arm pulling certainly helps flatten that left wrist.any thoughts?
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