allen doyle

[fdb2]

I was at a pratice round prior to the USGA Senior Open in Kettering, Oh. on Wednesday and had the opportunity to observe Doyle on the range and followed him, Thorpe, and Quigley for several holes.

I assume Doyle is a hitter. Now how does he obtain his distance. He's not as long as Thorpe or Watson but he does have adequate length. ( obviously). Also Johnny Miller said the plays a push-hook. From my inexperienced eye he looked like he hit the ball pretty straight. What gives?

[Theodan]

I'm going from memory, so I'll tell you what I think I remember. If you saw him, you know he is one big mon. He has what appears to be a short backstroke (clubhead). His transition is very sudden. So the clubhead is not only still when he starts forward, it's actually moving in the opposite direction. Strong enough to drive the handle forward, he can Float Load and get alot of clubhead pressure lag in a very short distance.

I can't comment on his geometry because there is a bunch of stuff going on. I will say that he does align open and plays the ball a bit back. That might be why Miller sees it as a push-hook. Doyle's Angle of Approach has to be quicker to the "out". But at impact the clubface is still square/closed as it hasn't reached the "layback" part of the Angled Hinge. In the brief time I saw him play, the net effect seemed to be straight when he wanted. (I wonder if Miller thinks all Hitters using an Angled Hinge are push-hookers? )

He's a great story and can just flatout score. Notice that he hits his driver to putter the same. Short back, looong through.

Charlie

[mb6606]

http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...oyle_clip.html

Last night on TGC they showed/interviewed the the unheard of guy that qualified for the US Senior Open and missed the cut by one stroke.
Pretty amazing and unique - he played all his shots with a left hand low grip!!!

[12 piece bucket]

I'm going from memory, so I'll tell you what I think I remember. If you saw him, you know he is one big mon. He has what appears to be a short backstroke (clubhead). His transition is very sudden. So the clubhead is not only still when he starts forward, it's actually moving in the opposite direction. Strong enough to drive the handle forward, he can Float Load and get alot of clubhead pressure lag in a very short distance.

I can't comment on his geometry because there is a bunch of stuff going on. I will say that he does align open and plays the ball a bit back. That might be why Miller sees it as a push-hook. Doyle's Angle of Approach has to be quicker to the "out". But at impact the clubface is still square/closed as it hasn't reached the "layback" part of the Angled Hinge. In the brief time I saw him play, the net effect seemed to be straight when he wanted. (I wonder if Miller thinks all Hitters using an Angled Hinge are push-hookers? )

He's a great story and can just flatout score. Notice that he hits his driver to putter the same. Short back, looong through.

Charlie

You can see some great stuff in these pics. Check the Right Forearm right on Plane. Look at how anchored he is as Yoda has advised. The right heel is still on the ground. You can see the Level Bent condition of the Right Wrist, the point of the RFFW. Check out the Tripod. Head is centered between the feet. No perverted axis tilt. Shoulders are pretty level.

You can have an Open stance line but still have a Plane Line that is Square to the Line of Flight. Don't have the book at work. But it's in there for sure.

I think I heard somewhere that he learned to swing in his house. He couldn't take it all the way back to End because he would bust right through his roof. You gotta love this geometry.

[Yoda]

Look at how anchored he is as Yoda has advised. The right heel is still on the ground. You can see the Level Bent condition of the Right Wrist, the point of the RFFW. Check out the Tripod. Head is centered between the feet. No perverted axis tilt. You gotta love this geometry.

Good eye, Bucket! Thanks for the photos, Charlie!

Per 1-L #21:

"The relations of all Machine positions and motions can be described by a geometric figure."

Would somebody please draw the triangle connecting Mr. Doyle's Head and Feet and post it? Thanks!

[Mathew]

Would somebody please draw the triangle connecting Mr. Doyle's Head and Feet and post it? Thanks!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Would somebody please draw the triangle connecting Mr. Doyle's Head and Feet and post it? Thanks!

Thanks, Mathew! Can we see it in red?

[Yoda]

Members may find it instructive to compare Mr. Doyle's Flying Wedge Alignments to my avatar photo at left (Yoda's Wedges).

Per 1-L #20: "For any given Line of Compression (through the Ball) every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments."

Though anyone could readily differentiate Mr. Doyle's Stroke from my own, our Impact alignments are virtually identical.

[Theodan]

You can see some great stuff in these pics. Check the Right Forearm right on Plane. Look at how anchored he is as Yoda has advised. The right heel is still on the ground. You can see the Level Bent condition of the Right Wrist, the point of the RFFW. Check out the Tripod. Head is centered between the feet. No perverted axis tilt. Shoulders are pretty level.

You can have an Open stance line but still have a Plane Line that is Square to the Line of Flight. Don't have the book at work. But it's in there for sure.

I think I heard somewhere that he learned to swing in his house. He couldn't take it all the way back to End because he would bust right through his roof. You gotta love this geometry.

Yes. That is why I captured those particular frames. I posted them months ago on another board (I think I did here too) as a retort to the ubiquitous query that "If TGM is the right approach, then why don't any of the pros do it?" My counterpoint being that Doyle's swing is not assembly line looking, but his swing is representative of a mastery of Homer Kelley's core competencies (Imperatives, Essentials, Flying Wedges, Magic of the Right Forearm etc). And he basically beat the daylights out of everybody in his age group in GA from 1978, till he turned pro at age 48 (circa 1995).

I use the Square-Open (10-5-B) for my mid to short irons. Can't do it for the longer clubs, because I end up on my toes. Go figure. Work in progress, I'd like to come up with a standard guide line for all.

As a teen he practiced his swing in MA. Long winter seasons and a low ceiling generated that swing. He had misgivings about turning pro, because he saw the pop swings of the local lions and on the Nationwide. Taking a local sage pro into his confidence, he couldn't figure his swing standing up to theirs. "Yeah, but none of them can beat you."

The guy can get up and down from a landfill in the next zipcode.

Late night prattling,

Charlie

[Mathew]

Thanks, Mathew! Can we see it in red?

Its in red