Welcome To The Scoring Zone -- Yoda On The Bridge

***Yoda*** · #1 10-02-2005, 04:08 PM

Okay, guys and gals, this Forum is not getting near the attention it should. The Long Game is important -- no doubt -- but this is where Scoring lives. And the Good News is that the work you do here absolutely will carry over into your Long Game. Trust me on this. I made it happen in my own Game.

So, I've asked Bagger and Trig if I could be the Moderator, at least for now. They said they would have to get back to me. Assuming the answer is 'Tails'...

What would you like to know about the Cut Shot?

***Bagger Lance*** · #2 10-02-2005, 04:29 PM

The Web Board hereby, formally and in perpetuity if requested, grants Yoda - aka Lynn Blake moderator status for any duration Yoda deems appropriate, for The Scoring Zone - 100 Yards and In.
Yoda will serve as Moderator here at the Web Boards pleasure as long as approach shots become tighter to the pin, up/downs become more frequent, and one putts expected. Yoda is requested to use whatever means necessary to accomplish the above referencing The Golfing Machine whenever possible...

Is this a no-brainer or what? Oh well, had to make it look official.

Bagger

Mathew · #3 10-02-2005, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

What would you like to know about the Cut Shot?

This is a shot that goes left to right for a right hander right ?

strav · #4 10-02-2005, 04:55 PM

Quote:

What would you like to know about the Cut Shot?

This is too good an invitation to pass up. Thanks for the opportunity.

What are the principles of the Cut Shot and how do you apply them?

Mathew · #5 10-02-2005, 05:02 PM

What stance and plane line combination ?

Do you need to apply a particular hinge action ?

tongzilla · #6 10-02-2005, 05:14 PM

Better short game will definitely carry over to your long game. Everything is done a lot slower, making it easier for you to work on the Three Imperatives and Essentials. And if you can't do it properly at half speed, what chance have got at full speed?
Also, the 'click' of a three dimensional impact is much more evident when doing chips and pitches.
I saw Ben Doyle live making a chipping stroke with clubhead speed of about 3 MPH, and I heard that loudest and prettiest 'click' ever. That's quality!
I like practicing chips indoors because you can really listen to the quality of impact. You would be surprised at how your ears can cultivate your feel and improve your ball striking.

I very rarely use the Cut Shot because of the deliberate muscular manipulation needed to produce the Vertical Hinge Action.
Angled Hinging is a must for short game. It approaches Vertical Hinging characteristics as the Plane gets steeper (i.e. shorter clubs) and it's much easier to produce.

For a bread and butter 40 yard pitch shot, does anyone find that the standard TGM pitch (max compression, no leakage, mashing it down, stop at both arms straight with flat left wrist, the ones you see Ben Doyle hitting a lot in his tape) produces too much compression which means ball doesn't stop on the green.

Brian talked about what he calls the 'Tour Pitch'. It has less backspin than the TGM pitch, but it bites a whole lot more because the ball is struck with less compression, so when it lands there is less momentum to carry to ball forwards (and off the green).

Doug · #7 10-02-2005, 05:43 PM

Yoda

It has been almost a year since you, Ted Fort, and Steve Furgeson, gave me a new chipping and pitching life with push basic. 10-3-C.
I have the best results keeping it low with angled hinging.

Now the question of the day is......

Please describe, in detail, the formula for a nice high floating cut shot over a greenside bunker.

Thx

EdStraker · #8 10-02-2005, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by tongzilla

Better short game will definitely carry over to your long game. Everything is done a lot slower, making it easier for you to work on the Three Imperatives and Essentials. And if you can't do it properly at half speed, what chance have got at full speed?
Also, the 'click' of a three dimensional impact is much more evident when doing chips and pitches.

Probably 90% of my practice is devoted to short game. Like tongzilla said, it is easier to monitor the imperatives because you are working at slower speeds.

Today, somebody I played with commented on how loud the "click" was when I was chipping. Based on the sound, he said he thought my chips were going to go off the green, but was amazed how close I was hitting them to the pin.

To show how important the short game was to me today, of the 11 pars I made, I only hit 2 greens in regulation. I chipped close on 7 greens for easy 1-putts and my other 3 pars were wedges that were within 15 feet and converting the putts.

Before TGM, I never would have been able to shoot 79 while having only 2 GIR.

comdpa · #9 10-02-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Okay, guys and gals, this Forum is not getting near the attention it should. The Long Game is important -- no doubt -- but this is where Scoring lives. And the Good News is that the work you do here absolutely will carry over into your Long Game. Trust me on this. I made it happen in my own Game.

So, I've asked Bagger and Trig if I could be the Moderator, at least for now. They said they would have to get back to me. Assuming the answer is 'Tails'...

What would you like to know about the Cut Shot?

Please Sir, elaborate on how you "made it happen in my own Game." I heard stories about a TGM instructor who was away for 20years, did cut shots exclusively and got to a very low handicap. Might this be you?

12 piece bucket · #10 10-02-2005, 09:25 PM

Sit right back and you'll hear a tale . . .

I'm interested to hear if you are a devotee to the "throw-away" cut shot or the open-open stance angled hinge cut shot or the vertical hinge cut shot?

Also, how would the cut shot be effective in educating your hands to eliminate the "left" shot in your long game?

Also, who was hotter Ginger or Mary Ann?

Bucket