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Old 01-25-2006, 12:12 PM
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The Hitter's Right Elbow During Release
Originally Posted by YodasLuke

With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch.
For the Hitter's application, start from the Swinger's position Luke has described above. Now, Roll the Left Wrist slightly (to the left toward the vertical). Allow the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to likewise Roll. Now observe the position of the Right Elbow. You are in Punch.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
For the Hitter's application, start from the Swinger's position Luke has described above. Now, Roll the Left Wrist slightly (to the left toward the vertical). Allow the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to likewise Roll. Now observe the position of the Right Elbow. You are in Punch.
In other words, Single Wrist Action will naturally bring your Elbow to a Punch position, while Standard Wrist Action will naturally bring it to a Pitch position.

Another reason for the Swinger to Start Up Swivel.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
For the Hitter's application, start from the Swinger's position Luke has described above. Now, Roll the Left Wrist slightly (to the left toward the vertical). Allow the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to likewise Roll. Now observe the position of the Right Elbow. You are in Punch.
Are these same "procedures" applicable to one that has a different grip type than the preferred 10-2-B?
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:35 PM
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perverted pitch
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This is how you get out of "perverted pitch"
I love that phrase...I'm going to keep that and use it.

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although seperate to themselves have to be coordinated....Children need to learn to play together....
Can't we all just get along?
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The red-headed stepchild who doesn't like to play along..the right arm swing per 10-3-K with loosened wrists...ooops.....Sorry Richard....you know I love you man.....Here we go again....
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Lag Loading and the Major Basic Strokes
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

Are these same "procedures" applicable to one that has a different grip type than the preferred 10-2-B?
The principle is the same, but the application will vary with the Grip Type. The key is in the Loading.

If you bring the Club into Release with the Loading against the top of the Clubshaft and the first knuckle of the Right Hand (usually Swinging), you will tend toward Pitch Basic Stroke. If you bring the Loading in against the back of the Shaft and the meaty part of the right forefinger (usually Hitting), you will tend toward Punch Basic Stroke.

That tendency noted, the Elbow Positions (and, therefore by definition, the Major Basic Strokes) are interchangeable for both Swingers and Hitters.
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Wrist Action and Elbow Position
Originally Posted by tongzilla

...Single Wrist Action will naturally bring your Elbow to a Punch position, while Standard Wrist Action will naturally bring it to a Pitch position.
Yes, and this is one of the very few times I would recommend usng a given photo to reference a component other than that being illustrated (2-R).

Compare the Elbow postion in Photo 10-18-A (Standard Wrist Action) and the Elbow Position in 10-18-C (Single Wrist Action). [IMPORTANT: You must use Photo 10-18-D for 10-18-C because the photos are transposed.] The Turned Left Wrist of Standard Action has enabled the Elbow to 'lead' deeper into Release Interval (Pitch Basic Stroke) than the Vertical Left Wrist of Single Wrist Action (Punch Basic Stroke).

The untrained eye may not at first be able to detect an appreciable difference betweeen the two. But it is there. To help see it, check out the space between the Forearms in the Single Wrist Action photo as the Right Forearm supports the back-of-the-Shaft Loading (instead of Standard Wrist Action's top-of-the-Shaft Loading.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
The Turned Left Wrist of Standard Action has enabled the Elbow to 'lead' deeper into Release Interval (Pitch Basic Stroke) than the Vertical Left Wrist of Single Wrist Action (Punch Basic Stroke).
Since the Pitch Stroke is conducive to greater Trigger Delay, we observe Swingers having more of a "true" Snap Release than Hitters.

And everything else being equal, that means greater Clubhead Speed.

Another point for the Swinger on my Swinger/Hitter Scorecard.

PS: I've nothing against Hitting.
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Since the Pitch Stroke is conducive to greater Trigger Delay, we observe Swingers having more of a "true" Snap Release than Hitters.

And everything else being equal, that means greater Clubhead Speed.

Another point for the Swinger on my Swinger/Hitter Scorecard.

PS: I've nothing against Hitting.
You're too nice to be a hitter.
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I'm with Tong...Hitting for me personally ruined my game.... from driving it 285 - 305 yards with Swinging and relatively acccurate...(at least tree line to tree line) and a +1.6 handicap ....to Hitting it straight down the middle 245 - 265 yards and playing the mini-tours as a legit 4 handicap...Boy that's really nice when you're out there trying to make a living...At least now I understand "You can't drive gently and carry a big stick....

The deal is the right elbow location/ right forearm position to the loading procedure and it's wrist action....

Any of you notice a big difference in distance with Swinging with single wrist action vs. standard wrist action ...I Do!!!!

I wish only that I knew then what I know now...about the Hitters cheat sheet...The Right Forearm's own Angle of Approach


BTW ...my handicap was as low as +2.2 this summer using both machines...perhaps it's time to go back out to try it again...NOT...I'd make more on the lesson tee!!! Plus my wife and kids would leave me!!!

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