Base of the Neck vs. Through the Head "centers"

[brianmanzella]

Hi folks...typing this from West Palm Beach, about to play Seminole...so I'm in a good mood

The neck is a valid 'pivot center' it may not be the best geometrically, but it works for many.

Let's bump this whole discussion over to this new thread:

[DOCW3]

The Golfing Machine® as we know it was the labor of genius for forty-two years.

The Stationary Head as the Pivot Center was a bedrock point from which that genius never varied.

So, do I think Homer Kelley would have switched to a Non-Centered Pivot over the last twenty years?

No.

In fact, he codified the Pivot Center concept in the as-yet-unpublished 7th edition as the Pivot Swing Center Tripod.

Do I think he would have embraced a different Pivot Center?

No.

Remember, his primary reference during the early years was Ben Hogan's Power Golf, the very same text from which photos have been extracted to build a case for the 'between the shoulders' Pivot Center.

Would he have changed his mind had he found evidence to the contrary?

Absolutely he would have.

But then again, in more than forty years...

He didn't.

Yoda~

I don't believe there has been a reference to the audios.

In an audio Mr. Kelley comments on why the head while acknowledging the neck may be more geometrically correct. He goes on to indicate it remained for him to confirm the geometrically correct conclusion.

When the Hogan photos were posted a thought was why from that period? Your comments about Power Golf are a reminder that Hogan's instructional influence did not begin with 5 Lessons in 1957.

Do you have an opinion on why a Hogan position with the shaft parallel is typically the one of comparison? For example, there is the one used here and the one on the next page of the book with the shaft beyond parallel, also illustrated in 5 Lessons, which rarely gets attention?

Finally, on swing sequence, a 1985 version with 4-iron was published in the October 1997 issue of Golf Digest. The frame at or close to the top was for some reason not from the same swing as the remaining frames.

DRW

[Vandal]

What other thread is Brian talking about?

roll - gybe: Thanks. At least I know someone read my post

[hue]

What other thread is Brian talking about?

roll - gybe: Thanks. At least I know someone read my post

This one http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2025

[Sbark]

not a historian in any way or form........but this is likely similar to what broke the Baptists away from the Lutherens back in 1789 or so.............just an analogy,

keep the forest in view, dont focus in on 1 tree

[Yoda]

In an audio Mr. Kelley comments on why the head while acknowledging the neck may be more geometrically correct. He goes on to indicate it remained for him to confirm the geometrically correct conclusion.

Doc and I have been doing some PMing -- thanks Doc! -- and here is the exact quote from Homer Kelley regarding the use of the 'point between the shoulders' (the 'back of the neck' versus the Head) as the Pivot Center:

"There could be some argument about whether it is the back of the neck or the head. I advocate the head. If you use that as the pivot center...the eyes will tell you when you have moved. If you move your head with the back of the neck center you have nothing then to go by. I don't think it is nearly as dependable.....geometrically you could say it is more correct but I have come to some information that it is not that correct either (pause)...effective either."

What Homer is saying here is that one could argue that the 'between the shoulders' is more geometrically correct because, as he says in 2-H:

"The spine, between the shoulders, is the [true] center of the Shoulder Turn..."

So, what he is saying is that the spine, not the Head, is the Pivot's true geometric center (and not the Head). However, he is also saying that for practical purposes, the golfer is better off using the Head because the 'point between the shoulders' "...is not nearly as dependable."

[tongzilla]

So, what he is saying is that the spine, not the Head, is the Pivot's true geometric center (and not the Head). However, he is also saying that for practical purposes, the golfer is better off using the Head because the 'point between the shoulders' "...is not nearly as dependable."

I sooo agree with that.