Shoulder(s) In Relation To Plane...

[HoganFan]

...hi all, I don't have my book w/me at work, so can't reference. But something just occured to me. Should the trail (r) shoulder move on plane (on the downswing)? If yes, doesn't that mean that the (r) shoulder would move more -how to describe this- sort of, "around" the body, so to speak, instead of say, "down" towards the ground and under the plane?

[tongzilla]

The Right Shoulder should move toward Impact on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane. If it can't quite reach that Plane, then it's better to use a steeper Plane.

In other words, the Right Shoulder moves On Plane -- downward, outward and forward.

[Bigwill]

...hi all, I don't have my book w/me at work, so can't reference. But something just occured to me. Should the trail (r) shoulder move on plane (on the downswing)? If yes, doesn't that mean that the (r) shoulder would move more -how to describe this- sort of, "around" the body, so to speak, instead of say, "down" towards the ground and under the plane?

I know what you're talking about. In my swing, my right shoulder tends to move straight down. So when I got in front of a mirror to practice moving it down plane, it (the right shoulder) felt to me as if it were moving more forward than down. If you tend to get under plane with the shoulder, like me, then an on-plane right shoulder may feel like it's going more out and around. It's all about perception and perspective.

[HoganFan]

If you tend to get under plane with the shoulder, like me, then an on-plane right shoulder may feel like it's going more out and around. It's all about perception and perspective.

I think you hit the nail on the head for me, Bigwill.

[nevermind]

What was the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane in the Freddy sequence? How can the shoulder move down on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane unless that is the Turned Shoulder Plane? Say you were going to shift the sweetspot down from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane, should your goal be to also shift the shoulder?

[Yoda]

What was the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane in the Freddy sequence? How can the shoulder move down on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane unless that is the Turned Shoulder Plane? Say you were going to shift the sweetspot down from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane, should your goal be to also shift the shoulder?

Freddy pre-selects nothing.

Never has.

Never will.

Freddy...

Is.

Freddy picks the Club straight up with his Right Forearm and then slams it into the back of the Ball so hard he says, "I feel I can snap the clubhead off the end of the shaft."

From the ultimate Mechanic, Homer Kelley:

"Mechanics are peanuts without the Clubhead Lag."

[comdpa]

I neglected to add this to my earlier post so here goes.

Per 7-13, "The Shoulder is the fastest and farthest moving component of the Pivot and actually transmits the Pivot motion to the Arms."

The Pivot, Zone #1 is made up of

Components:
#12 Pivot
#13 Shoulder Turn
#14 Hip Turn
#15 Hip Action
#16 Knee Action
#17 Foot Action

Like I mentioned earlier, many start down correctly until they reach the shoulders per 6-M-1 and then they move the shoulders in the wrong direction.

In other words, the sum of the total sequence is correct, "Knees, Hips, Shoulders..." but individually at least for the shoulder, it is improper.

In so doing, they roundhouse and throw the club to the point where they lose so much power it ain't funny. There is ZERO transmission of power from the pivot and they wind up with only "hand" power, instead of pivot power (see below).

You have heard the saying that "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link." In G.O.L.F, we have to deal with our gear train.

Per 6-C-0, "Pivot Lag (9-1) is Body Power for Swingers (2-M-4), Launching Pad for Hitters (2-M-3), and for both operates like a "GEAR TRAIN"...to extend the Swing Radius..."
When shoulders move out of sync, not only do you throw the club, you also lose Swing Radius.

Per 6-B-0 "So the Clubhead (or primary Lever Assembly) whose Swing Radius extends to the feet is much harder to decelerate during Impact. Which means better Clubhead Speed at Separation. See 2-E"
Per 9-1, "Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot."
But I want to pose this question, will it not be infinitely easier for the Hands to control a pivot that is trained than one that is dumb?

Give 9-1 a shot and then add Zones 2 and 3 as quickly as possible and see if your game does not improve.

[HoganFan]

Comdpa--thanks for the comprehensive reply. I'm going to get my nose in the book, print your notes and then reply.

My thanks,

HF

[nevermind]

Originally Posted by nevermind

What was the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane in the Freddy sequence? How can the shoulder move down on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane unless that is the Turned Shoulder Plane? Say you were going to shift the sweetspot down from the Turned Shoulder Plane to the Elbow Plane (from the Top down), should your goal be to also shift the rear shoulder?

Freddy pre-selects nothing.

Thanks Yoda. How about the other questions? Maybe I need the definition of what a "preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane" is exactly before I'll get a grasp of that quote.

Here is another one for you. How can you have the rear shoulder and rear forearm be on the same plane angle without having a straight rear arm

[mattsdad]

The sequence of Fred Couples posted by Annikan Skywalker shows nicely how the trail shoulder moves down the selected plane. See http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2010

Whether it feels more "around" than "down" depends on your tendencies. In my case, I need to "feel" it going down.