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Old 03-20-2005, 10:34 AM
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Angled hinging is ingrained into my stroke even though I want to swing. This morning, I slowly performed the horizontal hinging motion from address to followthrough. My right arm was still considerably bent even though the leading edge of the clubface was pointing along the target line.

Conclusion: I am so used to the feel of angled hinging , that my right arm is not accustomed to the extra distance and around motion involved in horizontal hinging. I peformed the motion again and again, but this time consciously extended my right arm completely straight, while keping the clubhead inside the target line. I imagined a fly was stuck to my bicep, and I tried to pop it off by straightening myright arm completely.

Tangent time. I am really good at directing my hands, #3PP, etc inside out. However, I keep going inside out and the blur of the clubhead goes from inside out, past the target line, down the target line(steering), then finally outside in.

Initially, I thought the only culprit was lack of lower body rotation. However, I was also not tracing the plane line with PP#3. By trying to strike the ball from an inside out path, I was actually tracing a plane line that was going out to right field.

Am I on the right track that
1) the right arm ala #3PP is initially directed in a straight line towards the inside aft quadrant of the ball, and that
2) horizontal hinging with the left hand redirects the inside out motion of the wedges to an onplane motion so that PP3 traces the plane line parallel to the target line, and the blur of the clubhead is the proper inside-out-inside motion.

Still can't reconcile an inside out motion with tracing the plane line, which is going forward.
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:25 PM
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Inside-Out, Inside-Aft And Tracing
Originally Posted by DDL
However, I was also not tracing the plane line with PP#3. By trying to strike the ball from an inside out path, I was actually tracing a plane line that was going out to right field.

Am I on the right track that:

1) the right arm ala #3PP is initially directed in a straight line towards the inside aft quadrant of the ball, and that

2) horizontal hinging with the left hand redirects the inside out motion of the wedges to an onplane motion so that PP3 traces the plane line parallel to the target line, and the blur of the clubhead is the proper inside-out-inside motion.

Still can't reconcile an inside out motion with tracing the plane line, which is going forward.
DDL,

I reprinted from your post the Quote below. My answers appear in bold.

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1. However, I was also not tracing the plane line with PP#3. By trying to strike the ball from an inside out path, I was actually tracing a plane line that was going out to right field.

There is a difference between the Inside-Out Impact that is characteristic of all On Plane Downstrokes and the Inside-Out Stroke wherein the Clubhead actually crosses the Line of Flight per 10-5-E. The latter should be avoided unless:

-- The player is deliberately attempting to produce a Draw or Hook;

-- The player is deliberately employing the Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure (2-J-3). In this instance, he will erect an Inclined Plane whose baseline is 'out to right field' (10-5-E Closed Plane Line) and then 'Cover' -- not Trace -- that Line with his Clubhead.



2. Am I on the right track that:

-- the right arm ala #3PP is initially directed in a straight line towards the inside aft quadrant of the ball...

Thrust is directed at the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball only when the player is (a) monitoring the (Cross-Line) Delivery Path (of the Hands per 10-23); or (b) is employing the Hitter's (Cross-Line) Angle of Approach procedure. Otherwise, Swingers (and Hitters) monitoring the (On Line) Geometric Plane Line (the Straight Line Baseline of the Inclined Plane per 2-J-3) should direct Thrust directly at the back of the Ball. In all instances the Thrust is directed by the Tracing Right Forearm and Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point).

2) horizontal hinging with the left hand redirects the inside out motion of the wedges to an onplane motion so that PP3 traces the plane line parallel to the target line, and the blur of the clubhead is the proper inside-out-inside motion.

Hinge Action is independent of Plane and Power. Any Hinge Action can be executed on any Inclined Plane and with any one or combination of Power Accumulators.

Still can't reconcile an inside out motion with tracing the plane line, which is going forward.

You must think in terms of the Three-Dimensional Attack Angle, i.e., the player's view from above the Plane's surface. As the player Traces (with his Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point) the Straight Line Baseline of the Plane (Forward movement), the Clubhead is simultaneously moving toward the Plane Line (Down and Out movement). Hence, both the Line of Flight of the Clubhead and the motion of the Right Forearm are Three-Dimensional (2-N-0).
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:39 PM
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Tracing the Planeline/In to Out Motion
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Try this...I stood inside a bathtub with a club shaft and a flashlight pointing at a straight line (between the tiles) while shaft was laying against the tub's outer edge. Move the shaft back and through with the shaft laying on the bathtub's straight edge. The flashlight remains shining (tracing) the straight line but the shaft with have an in to out motion coming through. I used a bathtub because I did not have a low bench around.

"...Angular Motion on an Inclined Plane." Also 1-L #5, #6, #10, #13, and #18.

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Old 03-20-2005, 01:47 PM
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Re: Tracing the Planeline/In to Out Motion
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DDL

Try this...I stood inside a bathtub with a club shaft and a flashlight pointing at a straight line (between the tiles) while shaft was laying against the tub's outer edge. Move the shaft back and through with the shaft laying on the bathtub's straight edge. The flashlight remains shining (tracing) the straight line but the shaft with have an in to out motion coming through. I used a bathtub because I did not have a low bench around.

"...Angular Motion on an Inclined Plane." Also 1-L #5, #6, #10, #13, and #18.

PChandler

Yeah...ya gotta to love the creative approaches, bathroom golf...what's next!!!

It's good to see you guys studying and applying section 1-L the gateway to percision golf.

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Old 03-20-2005, 02:25 PM
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Re: Inside-Out, Inside-Aft And Tracing
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Thrust is directed at the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball only when the player is (a) monitoring the (Cross-Line) Delivery Path (of the Hands per 10-23); or (b) is employing the Hitter's (Cross-Line) Angle of Approach procedure. Otherwise, Swingers (and Hitters) monitoring the (On Line) Geometric Plane Line (the Straight Line Baseline of the Inclined Plane per 2-J-3) should direct Thrust directly at the back of the Ball. In all instances the Thrust is directed by the Tracing Right Forearm and Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point).

WHOA!! That is the first time I have read anything on any TGM forum about any consciousness of back of the ball. Inside -aft quadrant has practically been tattoed on my amygdyla. You bychance didn't celebrate St patty's Day a little too exuberantly? )

Ok, this is way too much for me to digest now. I suprisingly found to my great delight that the first move down by Tomasello has gotten my stroke to blur correctly on my mom's Oriental rug, while she is away at CHurch. Seems to get me on the elbow plane and my hands much lower. No more bicycle handle bar high hands. I don't have any idea what part of the ball I am directing thrust at or what line I am tracing or what hinging I am using.

Undoubtedly this move is worth much futher investigation. For months, I have been directing, aiming thrusting PP3, PP2, right forearm, right elbow, right knee, and every other body part on my right side towards the inside aft corner of the ball and my hands were still coming into impact too high. Looks like this 'magic' move is the key to the third imperative, being onplane. Can't wait for the rest of the videos.
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Old 03-20-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: Inside-Out, Inside-Aft And Tracing
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Thrust is directed at the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball only when the player is (a) monitoring the (Cross-Line) Delivery Path (of the Hands per 10-23); or (b) is employing the Hitter's (Cross-Line) Angle of Approach procedure. Otherwise, Swingers (and Hitters) monitoring the (On Line) Geometric Plane Line (the Straight Line Baseline of the Inclined Plane per 2-J-3) should direct Thrust directly at the back of the Ball. In all instances the Thrust is directed by the Tracing Right Forearm and Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point).

Regarding swingers directing thrust at the back of the ball if monitoring the baseline of the inclined plane, I stumbled on this a week ago when practicing .

My tendency is too push shots straight right if I aim at the 4 o'clock postion of the ball(assuming 3 o'clock is back of the ball). I decided to direct my thrust to one dimple just below 3 o'clock position and this achieved two things, my drives went straight and it added 20 yards to my drive. I carried this thought to my round last week and today and it was fun to hear the other players say "this guy is absoulutely killing the ball!

I'm glad to hear directing thrust at the back of the ball is valid depending on the procedure used; I was beginning to wonder if I was straying off the mark.
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