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07-27-2006, 09:52 PM
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Error..moved #10 Hinge Action to Zone #2...9-2...p.125...but forgot to change the last paragraph in 9-0 on Page 121... "And, any Hinge Action is Ball Control(Zone #3)...WTF....now I'm really confused....
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07-28-2006, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
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Error..moved #10 Hinge Action to Zone #2...9-2...p.125...but forgot to change the last paragraph in 9-0 on Page 121... "And, any Hinge Action is Ball Control(Zone #3)...WTF....now I'm really confused....
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Hinge Action is one of the Three Major Concepts of The Golfing Machine. As such, its identity and lines of demarcation must be crystal-clear. In the new 7th edition, editorial inconsistencies (throughout the book) have caused those lines to be blurred and, hence, its identity to be compromised.
I don't yet have the 7th edition, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Chapter Ten subtitle under Hinge Action (10-10) is still Ball Control. And Ball Control is defined in 9-0 as a Zone #3 function. In fact, Zone #3 includes "all the elements of Ball Control" and, as you have noted, "any Hinge Action IS Ball Control (Zone #3)." Zone #2, on the other hand, is defined as "Club Control" (9-0) and "Power" (9-2). The conflict is obvious and demands resolution.
See my post #5 in this link http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3036 and also its imbedded link written well prior to the 7th's publication.
In my opinion, the removal of Hinge Action from Zone #3 and its re-assignment to Zone #2 was the biggest challenge facing the publisher of the new 7th. I do not underestimate the difficulty of integrating that re-assignment with the rest of the book. However, if the publisher was not prepared to make the necessary changes -- changes I am convinced Homer Kelley would have made prior to publication had he lived -- then Hinge Action should have been left to reside without conflict in Zone #3, its established home for the prior six editions.
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07-28-2006, 09:52 AM
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So are you're implying it could be in both Zones...Zone #2 the Arms Lane is what it does...moves around the pin....Zone #3 the Hands Lane are what it controls...the Clubface?
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07-28-2006, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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...then Hinge Action should have been left to reside without conflict in Zone #3, its established home for the prior six editions.
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Yes! I agree.
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07-28-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
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So are you're implying it could be in both Zones...Zone #2 the Arms Lane is what it does...moves around the pin....Zone #3 the Hands Lane are what it controls...the Clubface?
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If you see Hinge Action -- the Rhythmic Roll of the #3 Power Accumulator (the Angle formed between the Left Arm and Clubshaft when the Club is gripped under the heel of the Left Hand) from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) -- as being automatically induced by the Physics of Rotation (Hitting or Swinging), then you see it as a Zone #2 (Power) Component.
If, on the other hand, you see Hinge Action as the veneer control applied by the Flat Left Wrist to individualize that Motion -- independent of the Motion itself -- into the three distinct applications of Clubface Control (Close Only, Layback Only and Simultaneous Close and Layback), then you see it as a Zone #3 (Purpose) Component.
One not-so-minor problem: If you see Hinge Action as being purely a function of the Physics of Rotation, then what do you do with Vertical Hinge Action (and its Clubface Layback Only)? It is neither the natural byproduct of Hitting (with its Muscularly-Powered Angled Hinging -- Simultaneous Clubface Close and Layback) or Swinging (with its Centrifugally-Powered Horizontal Hinging -- Clubface Closing Only). It is always, then, regardless of Lag Loading procedure, a "deliberate mechanical manipulation" (6-B-3-0). And that can only be Zone #3.
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07-28-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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If you see Hinge Action -- the Rhythmic Roll of the #3 Power Accumulator from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) -- as being automatically induced by the Physics of Rotation (Hitting or Swinging), then you see it as a Zone #2 (Power) Component.
If, on the other hand, you see Hinge Action as the veneer control applied by the Flat Left Wrist to individualize that Motion -- independent of the Motion itself -- into the three distinct applications of Clubface Control (Close Only, Layback Only and Simultaneous Close and Layback), then you see it as a Zone #3 (Purpose) Component.
One not-so-minor problem: If you see Hinge Action as being purely a function of the Physics of Rotation, then what do you do with Vertical Hinge Action (and its Clubface Layback Only)? It is neither the natural byproduct of Hitting (Muscularly-Powered Angled Hinging -- Simultaneous Clubface Close and Layback) or Swinging (Centrifugally-Powered Horizontal Hinging -- Clubface Closing Only). It is always, then, regardless of Lag Loading procedure, a "deliberate mechanical manipulation" (6-B-3-0). And that can only be Zone #3.
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I suspect the debate will continue on this one, but suffice to say, per 2-S there is a valid argument for both zone 2 and/or zone 3 per Yoda above.
Sometimes it is helpful to remember that humans 'divide' and 'categorize' for perspective, yet often that very act of trying to organize and describe gets in the way of the 'whole picture'.
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07-28-2006, 05:01 PM
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What Hinge Action Is...And Is Not...In Homer's Own Words
Unfortunately, Homer Kelley can no longer answer our questions regarding the logic behind the move of Hinge Action from Zone #3 (the Hands Lane) in the first six editions to Zone #2 (the Arms Lane) in the 7th. However, his words live on in the recordings of his three Golf Stroke Engineering Master Classes conducted during 1981-1982. I have personally transcribed the direct quotes below to help us understand the rationale behind this radical shift.
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-- "Hinge action is the result of angular motion on an inclined plane."
-- "The hinge action is not a motion of the hands. It's a paddle[wheel] motion of the pivot and the arm swing, and it is the result of an angular motion...a circular motion...and it takes place on an inclined plane."
-- "Hinge action is not a wrist motion. It is an arm and pivot motion. The hand only is positioned [vertical to one of the three associated planes] and then takes on its arm and body rotating motion."
-- "The hinge action is not a hand motion, a hand action, or a hand anything except position. It is the position that has been set up to be vertical to one of the three basic planes."
-- "The thing is...the pivot and the arm motion produce the hinge action. It is not a hand motion except in the position in which you are maintaining it...vertical to an associated plane."
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07-28-2006, 07:39 PM
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Hall of Fame posts here...green man....I understand..and agree....
"You Da Man!!!"...said the gallery..
Did I hear a ....  golf clap?
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08-12-2006, 03:59 AM
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i would have to agree that it is zone#3,simply stating mr kelly beleived in a hand controlled pivot.if you put it in zone#2 then it becomes pivot controlled hands.correct me if i am wrong.always monitor the hands is what i have had beaten into my thick skull.and from a playing stand point i would also have to say zone #3
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08-12-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Unfortunately, Homer Kelley can no longer answer our questions regarding the logic behind the move of Hinge Action from Zone #3 (the Hands Lane) in the first six editions to Zone #2 (the Arms Lane) in the 7th. However, his words live on in the recordings of his three Golf Stroke Engineering Master Classes conducted during 1981-1982. I have personally transcribed the direct quotes below to help us understand the rationale behind this radical shift.
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-- "Hinge action is the result of angular motion on an inclined plane."
-- "The hinge action is not a motion of the hands. It's a paddle[wheel] motion of the pivot and the arm swing, and it is the result of an angular motion...a circular motion...and it takes place on an inclined plane."
-- "Hinge action is not a wrist motion. It is an arm and pivot motion. The hand only is positioned [vertical to one of the three associated planes] and then takes on its arm and body rotating motion."
-- "The hinge action is not a hand motion, a hand action, or a hand anything except position. It is the position that has been set up to be vertical to one of the three basic planes."
-- "The thing is...the pivot and the arm motion produce the hinge action. It is not a hand motion except in the position in which you are maintaining it...vertical to an associated plane."
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I agree with Homer....when Chuck and Lynn first started their websites, I always talked about hinge action with Right arm motion and left wrist motion (but got blasted for it)....you control the hinges with the arms and monitor the exection of hinge through the hands, preferably the left wrist. It's still a hands controlled pivot.
Geezz, this makes for another good Tomasello video reference...again, I believe this proves that Tomasello was again teaching from the 7th edition (notes)....in the Australia video, when talking about the horizontal hinges, Tommy repeatly said horizontal hinging produced the most distance out of all three hinge actions. So, it's not surprising that hinge action has been incorporated into the POWER lane of the three lane highway, The "Arms Lane"...there is an element of power in the hinges.
Some really great lines by Homer on page 125 (7th Edition).
-So mastery of "Release Motions" (4-D-0) is essential, indispensable, mandatory and imperative.
-Good Golf is Power Golf...ya got to love that one.
-Remove all pressures against "Power First".
-Power techniques are Power Control.
-As "Power" is acquired, "Direction" will improve until Zone #3 becomes mostly "Finesse" control.
Wisdom in the true Yoda fashion.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-12-2006 at 09:19 AM.
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