Never move the hands with the hands???

[phillygolf]

I have seen this in a few threads: 'Never move the hands with the hands.'

If we dont move the hands with the hands, then how do we move them? The essence of The Golfing Machine is the hands controlling the pivot - they are the command post, including but not limited to, acceleration and thrust control.

Basic Motion zero's out the pivot and shoulders and thats where we all start. Sorry to get off track, it just seems to me one of the terms that can be miscontrued, misinterpreted, and misapplied.

Patrick

[MizunoJoe]

'Never move the hands with the hands.'

Hogan dropped his hands/club down from the Top about 6" by pulling the assembly down with his right thumb and forefinger. We know this because he showed this to John Schlee, telling him it was "the magic move". He didn't just tell him, he stopped Schlee at the Top, grabbed his clubshaft, and pulled it straight down.

[12 piece bucket]

'Never move the hands with the hands.'

Hogan dropped his hands/club down from the Top about 6" by pulling the assembly down with his right thumb and forefinger. We know this because he showed this to John Schlee, telling him it was "the magic move". He didn't just tell him, he stopped Schlee at the Top, grabbed his clubshaft, and pulled it straight down.

MJ,

Straight down toward the ground or down plane?

This is interesting.

Thanks!

R

[MizunoJoe]

Straight down, shifting to a shallower plane.

[Burner]

'Never move the hands with the hands.'

Hogan dropped his hands/club down from the Top about 6" by pulling the assembly down with his right thumb and forefinger. We know this because he showed this to John Schlee, telling him it was "the magic move". He didn't just tell him, he stopped Schlee at the Top, grabbed his clubshaft, and pulled it straight down.

MJ,



I have two different tapes showing Hogan swinging, all clubs, and this move is not apparent in either of them - even in the slow motion sequences.

Is it a visible move or a "feeling" move.

[MizunoJoe]

Burner,

This is paraphrased from Schlee's account, describing what Hogan said and did. Hogan did this to Schlee at a static position while he was stopped at the Top. At this point in Hogan's swing, his hips are moving laterally and turning, which could make the downward move look more downplane than straight down.

[MizunoJoe]

rwh,

Hogan told him to pull down with the right forefinger and thumb. The way he described it, the Right Shoulder stayed where it was, and the hands/club dropped.

[6bmike]

rwh,

Hogan told him to pull down with the right forefinger and thumb. The way he described it, the Right Shoulder stayed where it was, and the hands/club dropped.

How is this different than using #2pp?

John Schlee was a competitor at the time?

[MizunoJoe]

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

rwh, Hogan told him to pull down with the right forefinger and thumb. The way he described it, the Right Shoulder stayed where it was, and the hands/club dropped.

How is this different than using #2pp?

John Schlee was a competitor at the time?

Well, it seems that using PP #2 would use the Left Arm muscles vs using the Right Arm muscles by doing it with the right forefinger/thumb.

Schlee was on the tour at the time. I think Hogan wanted to help him because he saw in Schlee the same desire and work ethic that he had.

[MizunoJoe]

I have seen 3 players who do this move that Hogan showed Schlee. Bill Kratzert, John Mahaffey, and Sergio Garcia. I have swing sequences of Kratzert and Mahaffey that show this definitively. At the End, Kratzert has his hands above his head and the next frame shows his hands have dropped 12" straight down below his shoulder, with his shoulders and hips still fully turned. Mahaffey's drop looks to be about 8".