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Old 08-01-2006, 09:30 PM
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Tomasello's Full Power Swing
With the new 7th edition release, I'm going to re-name Tom Tomasello's/TGM swing approach from a Right Arm Swing to the new improved "TGM Full Power Swing."

You know...no where in Tomasello's videos or even in the July 1991 Golf Illustrated interview does Tom mention the term right arm swing. For me it seemed to be the only logical name to call it...with the release of the new 7th edition and the reference to Full Power and Tomasello's comment about Full Power in Chapter 5 of the Tomasello chapter series...it's only logical to re-name the swing stroke pattern...Full Power Swing Stroke (pattern). I believe we should label it, good for marketing purposes.

In the July 1991 interview, there is no mention of any other swinging stroke pattern. In fact, Tomasello tells us he learned the movements and eventually learned how to commmunicate them. Let's read that entry in the 1991 interview.....

Tomasello: Learning the principles took time. I knew that Homer's information was what I was looking for, but truthfully, after those sessions it was still over my head. Eventually, though, l learned both the movements and how to communicate them.

Hmmmm...who did Tomasello learn the Full Power swing movements from...and who taught Tomasello to communicate them. Let's see...Ben Hogan, David Leadbetter???, Butch Harmon.....hmmm maybe Homer Kelley.


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Old 08-01-2006, 11:46 PM
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DG...could you try and explain something to me?

Tommy talks A LOT about the right forearm, "the magic of the right forearm," and puts a lot of emphasis on the "hit out at the ball" in the power section of the video on this site. Hit that ball with that right forearm, "hit it, hit it" he says.

however in the interview, he says:
"the hardest thing for the golfer is to apply no foward force to the swing with the right hand and arm, or with a lateral movement of the hips."

Now obviously the right forearm is not the "arm" or the "hand" but is part of the right arm and if you are going to use it to hit out at that ball why did Tommy say here no too?

Just a little foggy here.
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Old 08-02-2006, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jim_0068
DG...could you try and explain something to me?

Tommy talks A LOT about the right forearm, "the magic of the right forearm," and puts a lot of emphasis on the "hit out at the ball" in the power section of the video on this site. Hit that ball with that right forearm, "hit it, hit it" he says.

however in the interview, he says:
"the hardest thing for the golfer is to apply no foward force to the swing with the right hand and arm, or with a lateral movement of the hips."

Now obviously the right forearm is not the "arm" or the "hand" but is part of the right arm and if you are going to use it to hit out at that ball why did Tommy say here no too?

Just a little foggy here.

Jim,

In the power chapter of the Australia video series...Tom does not talk about hitting out at the ball. The main discussion is about the law of flail and the sound of accelerating the club with the left arm and the right arm...

However, Tom does talk about hitting out (during the release phase of the swing) at the ball when he demonstrates the slow motion 10 step sequence drill. The drill is to help one get the feel of the wrist condition (Standard Wrist Action), the feel of going up and back with the right forearm, the feel of the right hip clearing, the feel of the "end" assembly point, the feel of the right forearm starting the downswing and hips reacting to the right forearm, the feel of lag, the feel of straight delivery path, the feel of the arc of approach delivery line, the feel of a sequence release, the feel of impact...and on and on....

I suggest watching the Lee Deitrick letter video series first before watching the Australia video...especially the letter videos #2 and #3...you'll hear Tomasello on the deitrick video say it's a down and out motion. Consistent with 1-L-14. In the Australia video, Tomasello already spoke about the down motion with the right forearm he must have had a need to emphasize the out part of the motion....maybe based on experience with former students?

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Old 08-04-2006, 06:42 PM
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Full Power/ Right Arm Swinging
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
With the new 7th edition release, I'm going to re-name Tom Tomasello's/TGM swing approach from a Right Arm Swing to the new improved "TGM Full Power Swing."

You know...no where in Tomasello's videos or even in the July 1991 Golf Illustrated interview does Tom mention the term right arm swing. For me it seemed to be the only logical name to call it...with the release of the new 7th edition and the reference to Full Power and Tomasello's comment about Full Power in Chapter 5 of the Tomasello chapter series...it's only logical to re-name the swing stroke pattern...Full Power Swing Stroke (pattern). I believe we should label it, good for marketing purposes.

In the July 1991 interview, there is no mention of any other swinging stroke pattern. In fact, Tomasello tells us he learned the movements and eventually learned how to commmunicate them. Let's read that entry in the 1991 interview.....

Tomasello: Learning the principles took time. I knew that Homer's information was what I was looking for, but truthfully, after those sessions it was still over my head. Eventually, though, l learned both the movements and how to communicate them.

Hmmmm...who did Tomasello learn the Full Power swing movements from...and who taught Tomasello to communicate them. Let's see...Ben Hogan, David Leadbetter???, Butch Harmon.....hmmm maybe Homer Kelley.


DG
Let's make that "Full Power Right Arm Swinging"...
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After watching the Australian video thousands of times back in Feb and hearing TT constantly yell "hit out at the ball" I began to see many things that are similar to what I perceive to be a maximum participation stroke. With that in mind, I emailed Ben Doyle and he concured that one could achieve a MPS using the teachings of TT. I cannot find the short yet to the point reply that Mr. Doyle sent me, but he mentioned that once you get into pitch position that you are able to "hit." (I believe he used the term forearm slap.)

Hit out at the ball.

OT: I have found that it is much easier and productive for me to focus on the right hand instead of whipping and zipping my right forearm. Putting my mind in my right hand has made this technique come full circle. Another thing that has really helped is cocking the elbow with my bicep and attempting to align my right hand as close to my right shoulder as possible. My swing has become very compact, whippy and powerful. I blast my long irons as far as the avg. LPGA pro hits their driver (245.9).

Oddly enough my swing looks like a power golf pre-accident era Ben Hogan, but on the frame of a big black man.

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Old 07-09-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing View Post
After watching the Australian video thousands of times back in Feb and hearing TT constantly yell "hit out at the ball" I began to see many things that are similar to what I perceive to be a maximum participation stroke. With that in mind, I emailed Ben Doyle and he concured that one could achieve a MPS using the teachings of TT. I cannot find the short yet to the point reply that Mr. Doyle sent me, but he mentioned that once you get into pitch position that you are able to "hit." (I believe he used the term forearm slap.)

Hit out at the ball.

OT: I have found that it is much easier and productive for me to focus on the right hand instead of whipping and zipping my right forearm. Putting my mind in my right hand has made this technique come full circle. Another thing that has really helped is cocking the elbow with my bicep and attempting to align my right hand as close to my right shoulder as possible. My swing has become very compact, whippy and powerful. I blast my long irons as far as the avg. LPGA pro hits their driver (245.9).

Oddly enough my swing looks like a power golf pre-accident era Ben Hogan, but on the frame of a big black man.

Tomasello's term whip it and zip it. The Magic of the Right forearm uncocking the right elbow whips it and the left hip responding to the right forearm zips it. The whip it concept comes from Whipcracking with a bull whip or the action a fly fisherman uses to cast a fishing rod.

As Tommy said...."Ya got to learn to whip it before you can zip it".....10/1993.

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Old 07-09-2007, 08:26 PM
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DG,
Do you think Brian Gay is pretty close to the TT swing??
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Old 07-09-2007, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing View Post
After watching the Australian video thousands of times back in Feb and hearing TT constantly yell "hit out at the ball" I began to see many things that are similar to what I perceive to be a maximum participation stroke. With that in mind, I emailed Ben Doyle and he concured that one could achieve a MPS using the teachings of TT. I cannot find the short yet to the point reply that Mr. Doyle sent me, but he mentioned that once you get into pitch position that you are able to "hit." (I believe he used the term forearm slap.)

Hit out at the ball.

OT: I have found that it is much easier and productive for me to focus on the right hand instead of whipping and zipping my right forearm. Putting my mind in my right hand has made this technique come full circle. Another thing that has really helped is cocking the elbow with my bicep and attempting to align my right hand as close to my right shoulder as possible. My swing has become very compact, whippy and powerful. I blast my long irons as far as the avg. LPGA pro hits their driver (245.9).

Oddly enough my swing looks like a power golf pre-accident era Ben Hogan, but on the frame of a big black man.
Have you watched the Fred McCrary video on this site?
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Old 07-10-2007, 01:00 AM
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Have you watched the Fred McCrary video on this site?
Where is this video located?
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:33 AM
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Where is this video located?
This page
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=515
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