Shaft Lean at Impact

[smooth]

Is this correct?

Set up with the shaft leaning forwards at impact fix and the same club & ball position for each shot -

Now depending on the hinge action the shaft will lean at impact -

Horizontal Hinge - The same amount forward as impact fix
Angled Hinge - Slightly less forward than impact fix
Vertical Hinge - Even more laid back than impact fix

[Yoda]

Is this correct?

Set up with the shaft leaning forwards at impact fix and the same club & ball position for each shot -

Now depending on the hinge action the shaft will lean at impact -

Horizontal Hinge - The same amount forward as impact fix
Angled Hinge - Slightly less forward than impact fix
Vertical Hinge - Even more laid back than impact fix

Shaft Lean at Impact Fix and Shaft Lean at Impact are identical. By definition.

[jim_0068]

Is this correct?

Set up with the shaft leaning forwards at impact fix and the same club & ball position for each shot -

Now depending on the hinge action the shaft will lean at impact -

Horizontal Hinge - The same amount forward as impact fix
Angled Hinge - Slightly less forward than impact fix
Vertical Hinge - Even more laid back than impact fix

Shaft lean and hinge action have no correlation, what you are not understanding is that hinge action is a clubFACE difference, not a shaft lean difference.

Search for hinge actions and videos and you'll learn

[tongzilla]

The further the Ball is placed behind Low Point (which is opposite the Left Shoulder assuming a Flat Left Wrist at Impact), the greater the mandatory forward leaning of the Clubshaft at Impact. Hence there's more forward lean of the clubshaft with a wedge than a driver.

[smooth]

Shaft lean and hinge action have no correlation, what you are not understanding is that hinge action is a clubFACE difference, not a shaft lean difference.

Search for hinge actions and videos and you'll learn

Ok perhaps i didn't explain it clearly.

At seperation i.e. ball has left the clubface and hinge action has completed, i gather that the shaft lean will be different depending on the hinge action employed.

In one of the Yoda vids he mentions vertical hinging has the clubface laying back only, angled closing and laying back at the same time, and horizontal closing only

To have the clubface "laying back" wouldn't that also mean the shaft??

Thanks

[tongzilla]

By the way, you apply Hinge Action until both arms straight (which is The Follow Through), not just to Separation.

Hinge Action does affect how far the Clubhead Travels due to the Accumulator #3 angle, with Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel while Vertical Hinging the shortest.

[Yoda]

At seperation i.e. ball has left the clubface and hinge action has completed, i gather that the shaft lean will be different depending on the hinge action employed.

In one of the Yoda vids he mentions vertical hinging has the clubface laying back only, angled closing and laying back at the same time, and horizontal closing only

To have the clubface "laying back" wouldn't that also mean the shaft??

That's right, Smooth.

The Clubshaft will remain at all times in the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge. This plane is the vertical plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. Hinge Action -- the Flat Left Wrist held vertical (perpendicular) to one of the three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) -- will determine the amount of Clubhead Travel through Impact. Hence, it also determines the Clubshaft position during and at the end of the Follow-Through (the Both Arms Straight position).

As Tongzilla has indicated above, the Clubhead (and, likewise, the Clubshaft) travels furthest when the Left Wrist is held vertical to the Horizontal Plane (Horizontal Hinging). Both travel shortest when the Wrist is held vertical to the Vertical Plane. Finally, they travel somewhere between the two when the Left Wrist is held vertical to the Angled Plane of the Stroke.

In TGM, Rhythm is defined as maintaining the In-Line relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm. Through Impact, that condition is maintained by the Flat Left Wrist executing its Hinge Action. Therefore, the answer to your question is...

The Clubshaft position is determined by the Rhythm of the Stroke (as determined by the Hinge Action employed).

[johngolf33]

That's right, Smooth.

The Clubshaft will remain at all times in the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge. This plane is the vertical plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. Hinge Action -- the Flat Left Wrist held vertical (perpendicular) to one of the three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) -- will determine the amount of Clubhead Travel through Impact. Hence, it also determines the Clubshaft position during and at the end of the Follow-Through (the Both Arms Straight position).

Does the amount of Clubhead Travel through impact correlate to the amount of speed through impact? That is would the same player hit the ball farther if he employed Horizontal Hinging vs. Angled Hinging vs. Vertical Hinging?

[12 piece bucket]

That's right, Smooth.

The Clubshaft will remain at all times in the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge. This plane is the vertical plane of the Left Wristcock Motion. Hinge Action -- the Flat Left Wrist held vertical (perpendicular) to one of the three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) -- will determine the amount of Clubhead Travel through Impact. Hence, it also determines the Clubshaft position during and at the end of the Follow-Through (the Both Arms Straight position).

As Tongzilla has indicated above, the Clubhead (and, likewise, the Clubshaft) travels furthest when the Left Wrist is held vertical to the Horizontal Plane (Horizontal Hinging). Both travel shortest when the Wrist is held vertical to the Vertical Plane. Finally, the Left Wrist held vertical to the Angled Plane of the Stroke produces a Clubhead/Clubshaft Travel somewhere between the two.

In TGM, Rhythm is defined as maintaining the In-Line relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm. Through Impact, that condition is maintained by the Flat Left Wrist executing its Hinge Action. Therefore, the answer to your question is that the Clubshaft position is determined by the Rhythm of the Stroke (as determined by the Hinge Action employed).

Boss . . . There are some pics in the Gallery of Champions who maintain the forward lean AFTER impact. Would you say this is a result of a "specialty" shot? Or possibly Grip Type? Or they are just plain Champions and thus compress the ball better this way?

Also, inorder to achieve the position/alignment would the left arm flying wedge continue to be somewhat turned?

[tongzilla]

It's the result of believing that Lag Pressure is never released. It's also the result of adding a bit of Right Arm Thrust throught Impact (but not enough to annul Centrifugal Force which powers the Club).