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Old 08-30-2006, 12:38 PM
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Let us discuss the possible reasons for getting the CLUB OFF-PLANE on the BACKSWING and DOWNSWING, and the best ways to STAY ON-PLANE. I'll start with a couple, then others chime in.

Off-Plane

1. Right Forearm off-plane at Address. I realize that many(most) do set up with the forearm off-plane, but this is one possibility.

2. Changing the BENT RIGHT WRIST angle. This should not change at all throughout the Stroke, except briefly in the front part, between Follow-Through and Finish, when the arms MIRROR the BACKSTROKE conditions.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:03 PM
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Hands moving away from the body as first move of takeaway, rather than back, up, and in. Usually moves clubhead well inside, but 'over' plane because of above plane hand motion. Clubhead does not stay 'outside' the hands until hip high.

In short, not tracing a straight plane line.

Most likely the result of improper grip or setup position, and I would agree that the right forearm is one of the big ones.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:19 PM
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Lack of concern for what the hands do...(Pivot Controlled Hands)...

Certain postures and your balance at address can affect plane...(especially with a STT)

Trying to compensate for a certain shot pattern....or steering.

Clubface control....most common would be too open. (for slicers) i.e. underplane/over-swivel

Faulty backswing pivot....bad swaying or reverse pivoting...
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:55 PM
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The #1 off plane reason i find for off plane backswings is over rotated lead forearms.
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Originally Posted by jim_0068
The #1 off plane reason i find for off plane backswings is over rotated lead forearms.
#2 reason must by under rotation...
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:37 PM
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Eac Selected Plane angle has different range of motions, styles of motion, sequence of motion, & speed of motion..different wrist alignments etc....This could get deep!!!!

Instead of opening up a can of worms let's select a particular plane angle and discuss what movements can take it off plane versus on plane...


I gotta hand it to you lagster

..you are consistent at one thing....

asking questions that have endless possiblitlites...especially when you already know the answers in advance:



Unless Fixed in advance or established in advance...Hand Paths and Wrist Alignments are major players here as well as Zone #2 and Zone One spacing and sequencing....

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Old 08-31-2006, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
Let us discuss the possible reasons for getting the CLUB OFF-PLANE on the BACKSWING and DOWNSWING, and the best ways to STAY ON-PLANE. I'll start with a couple, then others chime in.

Off-Plane

1. Right Forearm off-plane at Address. I realize that many(most) do set up with the forearm off-plane, but this is one possibility.

2. Changing the BENT RIGHT WRIST angle. This should not change at all throughout the Stroke, except briefly in the front part, between Follow-Through and Finish, when the arms MIRROR the BACKSTROKE conditions.
"getting the CLUB OFF-PLANE": More dominant action of the hands/arms than shoulder turn. Why? Because the range of movement (degree of freedom) for the former is a lot more than the latter.

"the best ways to STAY ON-PLANE": Spin around an axis.
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Old 08-31-2006, 11:22 AM
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A lot of good input and information here!!

OK... let's get more specific. Mr. Hoch, for example, in the pictures posted by Annikan, has the butt of his club pointing well inside the baseline. This would be Off-plane according to many. He, however, is an excellent ball striker. Is this an example of a correct variation, for someone on his very STEEP Backswing Plane?
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lagster
A lot of good input and information here!!

OK... let's get more specific. Mr. Hoch, for example, in the pictures posted by Annikan, has the butt of his club pointing well inside the baseline. This would be Off-plane according to many. He, however, is an excellent ball striker. Is this an example of a correct variation, for someone on his very STEEP Backswing Plane?
Not off plane in my view - just a very steep plane - and a very steep path\plane of his hands motion (the path of the pressure points in 3 dimensinonal space).

You have to watch what the hands/pressure points do. The plane is defined by the hands (pressure points) and the sweet spot - not the shaft - and unless you have zeroed out #3 - far better to just watch the path of the hands for 'the' plane.
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How do you think the PIVOT COMPONENTS(HIP TURN, KNEES, SHOULDER TURN, etc.) affect the BACKSWING PLANE?
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