Hi Annikan,
I'm referring to the statement that MikeO made about the right wrist flattening from impact to both arms straight.
Doesn't the trailing wrist stay bent until followthrough? Hasn't that been taught in these forums?
But it DOES seem that a lot of Tour players' flatten their trailing wrist after impact and before followthrough (unless they're trying for a fade).
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
This is what Lynn taught us a Pine Needles...it wasn't until after Woodmont that I noticed posts saying the left wrist is still flat in the finish swivel...Personally I agree with the former for it swivels the shaft perfectly onto the same plane as the sweetspot for the finish while the latter over -rotates the shaft off plane with the sweetspot and the golf clubface appears over rolled and looking to the ground instead of the face of the inlcined plane
All pending on griptype, hinge action, and selected plane angle
Looking at a face on video of a tour player swing even in slow motion it is a 2 dimensional image so it appears to the eye that the right wrist at followthrough both arms straight is flat but in my opinion it is not. Thats not to say either that it is still fully bent through centrifugal forces it has moved towards a flat condition but not completely flatened out. It would be far more beneficial to have a camera positioned directly pointing at the player from an up-line camera angle to get a better image of this.
In Row 7, Frames 20 and 21, the Left Wrist has remained Flat and the Right Wrist has remained Bent. The Clubshaft has continued to point at the Straight Plane Line. I have hit many thousands of short Chips and Pitches to acquire the alignments you see here. They most certainly were not 'natural' -- at least not for me.
The Sequence also demonstrates the correct Finish Swivel (beginning in Row 8 ). Here, both Wrists Swivel to their On Plane location for the Finish. The Left Wrist remains Flat as it Rolls palm-up to the Plane. In concert, the Right Wrist loses its Bend and becomes Flat as it Rolls palm-down to the Plane. Note that the butt-end of the Clubshaft continues to point at the Plane Line.
This Finish Swivel is not exaggerated, i.e., the Flat Left Wrist Swivels to the Inclined Plane, not to the Horizontal Plane. Accordingly, the Clubface is also On Plane and not Swiveled Face Down to the Ground. However, for Steering Addicts -- and that includes virtually all higher handicap players and many lower ones as well -- even this On Plane Swivel will Feel quite exaggerated. Most players simply have no idea how much Left Forearm Rotation is required to execute the correct Swivel.
As the Left Wrist re-Cocks into the Finish -- best viewed from down-the-line -- the Wrist will appear to Bend somewhat. However, this is the consequence of the natural perpendicular 'hammering motion' of the Wrist that maintains the Left Arm and Clubshaft In-Line. It is not the Horizontal Motion of a true Wrist Bend that throws the Clubshaft ahead of the Left Arm and destroys Rhythm.
In Row 7, Frames 20 and 21, the Left Wrist has remained Flat and the Right Wrist has remained Bent. The Clubshaft has continued to point at the Straight Plane Line. I have hit many thousands of short Chips and Pitches to acquire the alignments you see here. They most certainly were not 'natural' -- at least not for me.
The Sequence also demonstrates the correct Finish Swivel (beginning in Row 8 ). Here, both Wrists Swivel to their On Plane location for the Finish. The Left Wrist remains Flat as it Rolls palm-up to the Plane. In concert, the Right Wrist loses its Bend and becomes Flat as it Rolls palm-down to the Plane. Note that the butt-end of the Clubshaft continues to point at the Plane Line.
This Finish Swivel is not exaggerated, i.e., the Flat Left Wrist Swivels to the Inclined Plane, not to the Horizontal Plane. Accordingly, the Clubface is also On Plane and not Swiveled Face Down to the Ground. However, for Steering Addicts -- and that includes virtually all higher handicap players and many lower ones as well -- even this On Plane Swivel will Feel quite exaggerated. Most players simply have no idea how much Left Forearm Rotation is required to execute the correct Swivel.
As the Left Wrist re-Cocks into the Finish -- best viewed from down-the-line -- the Wrist will appear to Bend somewhat. However, this is the consequence of the natural perpendicular 'hammering motion' of the Wrist that maintains the Left Arm and Clubshaft In-Line. It is not the Horizontal Motion of a true Wrist Bend that throws the Clubshaft ahead of the Left Arm and destroys Rhythm.
I can hear it now . . . "Rich you doofus!!!
How do you take someone who doesn't have enough DOWN and get them to do DOWN AND Swivel too?
The left wrist ideally- normally - stays flat not only through impact but through the follow-through and through the swivel. That is one of the fundamental alignments.
How the right wrist moves while that happens is of lesser importance. That said, it normally flattens from impact to follow- through- certainly on full shots.
In addition, assuming theoretically that you have a palm facing grip (not saying anyone does)- then if you have forearm rotation- maintaining a flat left wrist would mean that the right wrist flattens. Conversely, if you maintained a bent right wrist angle while having both forearms rotating then the left wrist would be required to arch.
So the key is if you have no forearm rotation from impact to follow-through- then yes you'll need to have the impact fix degree of right wrist bend or you will have left wrist bend if the right wrist flattens.
I don't think that you'll find in the Golfing Machine that it's talked about maintaining an impact fix degree of bend into the follow-through. Because specifically for swinging and the use of centrifugal force, that would really be more of an "un-golf like" motion than "golf like" on full shots.
I'm not really sure where this misconception comes from - I guess the assumption that if the right wrist flattens that you automatically have the left wrist bending- which is not the case. However, that thought would basically lead to an exaggerated aberation.
But the real judgement is up to you- look at alot of different swing sequences of professional players- not just one here or there. See if you see the right wrist flattening between release and the follow-through.
Just wanted to clarify my post so it's not mis-interpreted-
"That said, it normally flattens from impact to follow- through- certainly on full shots."
When I said flattens - I meant that it had lost some of it's bend- that could be anywhere from a little or alot. But I wasn't necessarily saying that it moves from bent to flat - from impact to follow-through. Although it may - my comment on the right wrist was not that limiting.
Did anyone assume something that I didn't say?- No, not necessarily - but I wasn't sure so I wanted to clarify my post in case someone was thinking something different than I said.
Finally, my post was made in the context of a palms facing grip i.e. Strong Single Action Grip- in reality you'll be hard pressed to find a palms facing grip anywhere- that's why I prefaced my post with the word "theoretically". Normally, most all grips are double action in that as the left wrist is cocking the right wrist is bending and as the left wrist is uncocking the right wrist is flattening.
There is a difference between flattening and being flat. The former is a motion and the latter is a state of being.
CF will, because it ain't no light weight force in this rotating condidtion we call a golf stroke, try to bring in line the bent right wrist but a G.O.L.F er knows that the swivel will reflatten the right wrist into follow through. Non-G.O.L.Fers just bend the left and care less about the right hand. Ben Doyle says the there are two times in the stroke that the right wrist is flat- at address and to some degree after impact into follow through. What is important is not swiveling on plane and just allowing the hands to go dumb and mindless.
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