Swinging But With Angled Hinge

[cometgolfer]

I'm almost certain that I'm using a swinging motion, but I'm having trouble with a tendency to block some shots, particularly with the driver and longer clubs. When I check my motion post impact I always have the feeling that I'm putting an angled hinge motion on the ball. I want to believe that I'm letting CF do it's "job" but it seems that when I do that the leading edge of the face gives the appearance of being in an angled hinge orientation and I have that "no roll" feeling. This makes me wonder if I'm really swinging or if I have some hitting components at work.

The blocks aren't huge, but I can tell I'm not getting any compression on the ball. Some shots I hit are pure as can be, particularly from SW thru 5 or 6 iron, but when I try to swivel into impact with the longer clubs I feel like I start to overpower the CF and get erratic results. It doesn't happen on every swing - I hit more than one drive over 300 yards today. I just feel like I'm having to interfere with the physics on some shots.

Any suggestions?

[Bagger Lance]

Are you certain you are maintaining a flat left wrist through impact?

As a swinger, you need to feel the full roll of horizontal hinging in most shots. It helps to have a start up swivel in the backstroke which turns the left hand clockwise. On the down stroke you will feel uncock then roll through impact. The sequenced uncock and roll is a distinguished feel in horizontal hinging.

Bagger

[Yoda]

I'm almost certain that I'm using a swinging motion, but I'm having trouble with a tendency to block some shots, particularly with the driver and longer clubs. When I check my motion post impact I always have the feeling that I'm putting an angled hinge motion on the ball.

The Blocked-Out Feeling means you have a faulty Angle of Approach into Impact. You are 'Covering' the Plane Line (with the Clubhead) instead of 'Pointing' at it. You must learn to 'Trace' it from the Inside Out (with the Right Forearm driving toward -- and not down -- the Plane Line).

Said another way, you have a Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn (10-13-B) and as a result, your Right Forearm is coming into Impact too 'high.' Therefore, you cannot possibly have the correct Follow-through with its Horizontal Hinge Action and Finish Swivel.

The cure is the correct Hip Turn per 10-14-A or B and the correct Hip Action per 10-15-A or B that pulls the Right Shoulder down On Plane per 10-13-D. And the key to integrating this correct Motion is the Start Down Waggle (3-F-5). Study The Top and the seven preparatory Start Down alignments in 12-3-0 / Section 6.

[cometgolfer]

Yoda,

Transition has always been an area of opportunity for me, and Downstroke Blackout is something I can relate to. I tend to get very "Sergio like" at my start down with the club dropping behind me and under the plane. It produces a lot of "sling" along with the occasional block (expecially under the gun). Hooks are not usually a problem for me. It's a very ingrained move and one that I contend is a barrier to me getting to the next level.

Will study those sections you referenced and report back. Thanks for the input.

Comet

[cometgolfer]

My miss turned into a hook/pull hook on Sunday. Although I know better than to get too mechanical on the course, I probably overdid it and made the mistake of working on my swing out there. My bad.

Had 3 range sessions this week, and felt much better after the last one this evening, particularly with the feeling of a right shoulder that's moving more "on plane" on the downswing. Really felt like I was providing MUCH more support for the power package coming down and at the same time guaranteeing that I wouldn't "run out of right arm" (and the dreaded flattening of the right wrist). The contact seems a lot better when I feel like the release is "automatic", but I can tell I still want to apply muscle force to help straighten the right arm on many swings. Those results are more dicey, some good, some bad. (And now I'm feeling sore in the area of the upper right arm above the tricep. First time I've felt that).

Any input on how to more consistently allow the CF of the swing "just happen"?

[DDL]

If one is swinging and using Dual Horizontal Hinging, the clubhead face is open ever so slightly, perhaps two or three degrees to the plane line, at impact fix. However, if one is attempting to induce Angled Hinging in swinging, to produce a fade or prevent a hook/pull in my case, should one go to fix with a slightly closed clubface to the plane line since there is layback and less clubface closing during the impact interval?

Thanks

[12 piece bucket]

Originally Posted by cometgolfer

I'm almost certain that I'm using a swinging motion, but I'm having trouble with a tendency to block some shots, particularly with the driver and longer clubs. When I check my motion post impact I always have the feeling that I'm putting an angled hinge motion on the ball.

The Blocked-Out Feeling means you have a faulty Angle of Approach into Impact. You are 'Covering' the Plane Line (with the Clubhead) instead of 'Pointing' at it. You must learn to 'Trace' it from the Inside Out (with the Right Forearm driving toward -- and not down -- the Plane Line).

Said another way, you have a Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn (10-13-B) and as a result, your Right Forearm is coming into Impact too 'high.' Therefore, you cannot possibly have the correct Follow-through with its Horizontal Hinge Action and Finish Swivel.

The cure is the correct Hip Turn per 10-14-A or B and the correct Hip Action per 10-15-A or B that pulls the Right Shoulder down On Plane per 10-13-D. And the key to integrating this correct Motion is the Start Down Waggle (3-F-5). Study The Top and the seven preparatory Start Down alignments in 12-3-0 / Section 6.

Skipper,

Could you please expand on the difference in driving the Right Forearm TOWARD the Plane Line and not DOWN the Plane Line?

Thanks!

Bucket

[Matt]

Skipper,

Could you please expand on the difference in driving the Right Forearm TOWARD the Plane Line and not DOWN the Plane Line?

Thanks!

Bucket

TOWARD the plane line means "at a point on the plane line." DOWN the plane line means steering it "along the plane line."

I think.

[EdZ]

In other words..... Not directly 'down' from its position at top or end

but Down Plane AND On Plane - the plane of the pressure points -

down, OUT, and forward to the aiming point

send the force to both arms straight

[birdie_man]

You need to come a little more from the inside is what I think it means in short. But still make sure you trace a straight plane line (FLASHLIGHT DRILL STYLE!).