swing left, and look like this

[12 piece bucket]

oh the birds of happiness are poopin' in the orange juice.

[Yoda]

During the Golf Stroke, the Clubhead orbits in an approximate circle. Assuming a Flat Left Wrist, the Down Plane orbit reaches its lowest point opposite the Left Shoulder.

Prior to reaching that Low Point, the Clubhead moves Down and Out (to the right). After the Low Point, the Clubhead moves Up and In (to the left). It is, after all, moving in a circle on an Inclined Plane.

Try it for yourself on a Horizontal Plane and see how really simple this 'pointing at a baseline' stuff really is. Through Impact, the Orbiting Clubhead only points at the Straight Line Baseline of its horizontal Plane of Motion. It therefore approaches Low Point from neither above nor below the Low Point Plane Line.

Through Impact, the Golfer best effects that On Plane Motion by Tracing the Baseline with the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point, not by "swinging left" with an Off Plane Right Shoulder and 'high' Right Forearm.

Even Hardy was asked why TOUR players 'X' and 'Y' made such obvious Off Plane motions during their Practice Strokes. Said he (paraphrased) in his newest book:

"They are exaggerating."

[birdie_man]

oh the birds of happiness are poopin' in the orange juice.

Ha.....I don't get it but it sounds funny anyway.

[birdie_man]

That is a good post....I have no problem with any of that Lynn.

...

BTW I just realized y'all may (also?) have been talking about Hardy, etc.....with "swinging left." Maybe an oversight on my part.

Anyway when certain people ("spaghetti eatin"...lol- if you catch my drift) say "swing left" though....

....what they mean by that is exactly as you say it Lynn:

After moving down and out until reaching Low Point the clubhead begins to move IN.

In other words- Trace a straight Plane Line!!

I mean......we all know how this works.......so I dunno if there is some kind of confusion as to what people teach.....or maybe confusion on my part with regards to exactly WHO is teaching whatever y'all think they are teaching.

Anyway tho....

The other thing that remains in all this I guess is: What about "swinging RIGHT?"

Well that of course is fine too. (if not exaggerated) Cause if you go back up to your summarizing and informative post above- the clubhead does move "to the right" (i.e. towards the Plane Line) until Low Point is reached.

"Swing left"........"Swing right".....

Either one too exaggerated is not so good.....and certain players need more of either one depending on the player....and I'm sure certain players may even need to FEEL a LOT more of one or the other. (i.e. for a fix in the present moment- start at one end of the spectrum....aim to exaggerate towards the other end....and wind up right in the middle)

So ya.....you do both.....

Or in other words--once again--Trace a straight Plane Line.

[tourdeep]

Anyway when certain people "swing left" though....what they mean by that is exactly as you say it Lynn:

After moving down and out until reaching Low Point the clubhead begins to move IN.

In other words- Trace a straight Plane Line!!


Or in other words--once again--Trace a straight Plane Line.

Paul,

Lynn is spot on and you as well! When I mentioned more "left", that's exactly it, continue to trace the plane line! denotation versus connotation thing and maybe I need to clean it up for more precision!

After all, what would a leftie do?

[YodasLuke]

I saw an interesting thread on the GEA, yesterday. The name of the thread was "swing left to swing right". I copied the three attachments that started the thread. It was a copy of an article from a popular publication and from a top 100 instructor. It was written in 1989, but it's still popular advice.

[nuke99]

I heard that one..

Is it the one that say Swing right to go left and swing left to go right?

[mrodock]

Homer said that you can't swing faster than you turn.

What about someone like Kenny Perry who is a long hitter, yet his hips and shoulders are approximately square (parallel to the target-line) at impact? He has great compression, so is he a counterexample?


P.S. the photo I was looking at was from around 2000.

Matt

[mb6606]

He turned to complete his backswing so he must return (turn) to impact position. Once the ball leaves the clubface the golf swing is over.

[mrodock]

He turned to complete his backswing so he must return (turn) to impact position. Once the ball leaves the clubface the golf swing is over.

My thought is Kenny Perry turns less once he arrives at impact than many others. I am not concerning myself with the amount he rotates his body after impact, I agree it is irrelevant in regards to the question at hand.