Shoulder Drive?

[Tystick]

Is the shoulder driven and/or thrusted on it's own plane before the right arm is extended to maximize the lag and application the pressure points? I have been working PP #1 and #3 but am asking if my right shouler leads the way?
Am I on track? This is my first post as I have been taking it all in. This is a grreat website and forum! Congratulations!

[6bmike]

Is the shoulder driven and/or thrusted on it's own plane before the right arm is extended to maximize the lag and application the pressure points? I have been working PP #1 and #3 but am asking if my right shouler leads the way?
Am I on track? This is my first post as I have been taking it all in. This is a grreat website and forum! Congratulations!

Of the two shoulders the right shoulder is the only one on plane. The right shoulder will be on plane-the downswing plane- when it moves Down, Out and Through into impact.
The right shoulder acts in two different ways depending on the stroke- always on plane. A Swinger will use the right shoulder as a gyroscope, a spinning wheel, to drive the clubhead into impact with centrifugal force. A Hitter uses the right shoulder as a platform to push off- to drive the right arm and hands into impact. Both on plane - down, out and through.
One important point: The right arm does NOT extend fully until AFTER impact.


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[johngolf33]

If one is performing a 3 barrel hitting procedure, is the right shoulder only moving down the turned shoulder plane instead of driving down this plane even if only momentarily?

[Hunter]

If one is performing a 3 barrel hitting procedure, is the right shoulder only moving down the turned shoulder plane instead of driving down this plane even if only momentarily?

John,

In three barrel Hitting the Right Shoulder has a Motion not an Action. The Right Shoulder is passive. It acts as the launching pad for the Thrusting Right arm. ANY action would constitute four barrel Hitting.

Forever Hitting,
Hunter

[Yoda]

Is the shoulder driven and/or thrusted on it's own plane before the right arm is extended to maximize the lag and application the pressure points? I have been working PP #1 and #3 but am asking if my right shouler leads the way?

Am I on track? This is my first post as I have been taking it all in. This is a grreat website and forum! Congratulations!

Welcome aboard, Tystick. And congratulations on your first post. Keep'em comin'!

In answer to your question, here is a reprint from a prior post. Enjoy!

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For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.

For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide parallel to the chosen Delivery Line, the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial Clubhead inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.

But...the Shoulder Turn is slow; it reaches its top speed very quickly; and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).

It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm.

[YodasLuke]

Originally Posted by Tystick

Is the shoulder driven and/or thrusted on it's own plane before the right arm is extended to maximize the lag and application the pressure points? I have been working PP #1 and #3 but am asking if my right shouler leads the way? Am I on track? This is my first post as I have been taking it all in. This is a grreat website and forum! Congratulations!

Welcome aboard, Tystick. And congratulations on your first post. Keep'em comin'!

In answer to your question, here is a reprint from a prior post. Enjoy!

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For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.

For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide parallel to the chosen Delivery Line, the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial Clubhead inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.

But...the Shoulder Turn is slow; it reaches its top speed very quickly; and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).

It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! As Yoda described, you can't imagine the amount of force that is available.
This is the four barrell hitter in a nutshell. Imagine jumping off the hood of a car sitting in a driveway. Then, imagine how much faster you'd fly through the air if the car reached 30 MPH prior to you jumping of the hood. The shoulder (the car) is the first stage rocket, and the bend in the right elbow (legs) is the second stage rocket.

Another analogy could be a steel spring. If this spring was compressed from both sides while laying horizontally on a table, then released from both sides, it would expand to it's original size with energy traveling in both directions. Now, compress the spring in a vertical manner, against the table, and release it. The spring takes off vertically, because it has something to push against. Finally, if the table took off like a rocket, and the spring was compressed and released, the forces would accumulate.

[johngolf33]

Originally Posted by johngolf33

If one is performing a 3 barrel hitting procedure, is the right shoulder only moving down the turned shoulder plane instead of driving down this plane even if only momentarily?

John,

In three barrel Hitting the Right Shoulder has a Motion not an Action. The Right Shoulder is passive. It acts as the launching pad for the Thrusting Right arm. ANY action would constitute four barrel Hitting.

Forever Hitting,
Hunter

Thanks Hunter! I guess since I have been thrusting the right shoulder downplane before the right arm starts to straighten, I was attempting 4 barrel hitting. I was using the initial shoulder thrust as a fisrt stage rocket from which to fire the #1 accumulator. Should this be reserved for the driver only on wide open holes?

[JohnThomas1]

Lukes post above is SENSATIONAL! I now know what the right shoulder does during the hitter's four barrel downswing. It continues to drive aggressively adding extra force. I am also pretty sure that in the three barrel hit it simply starts the motion then is a passive recoil pad for the thrusting right arm. Please let me know if i am wrong. I also assume that the four barrel procedure is a bit harder to master?


John

[YodasLuke]

Lukes post above is SENSATIONAL! I now know what the right shoulder does during the hitter's four barrel downswing. It continues to drive aggressively adding extra force. I am also pretty sure that in the three barrel hit it simply starts the motion then is a passive recoil pad for the thrusting right arm. Please let me know if i am wrong. I also assume that the four barrel procedure is a bit harder to master?


John

The right shoulder does a flameout, so the right arm can drive from that platform that began the motion.

[EdZ]

Hall of Fame post Luke.

Just as the left side has a 'lag sequence' so the right has a 'launching pad' sequence.

Get them both right, and you've got 4 barrel