10-2-B Yes, and I agree with the statement that HK mostly referred to 10-2-B.
10-18-A and 10-18-B employ 10-2-B.
10-18-B “… It is restricted to true centrifugal force swings because its reverse rotation during Release-return to the Flat and Vertical Left Wrist-inhibits Clubhead Throwaway.” I think that the word “restricted” should be replaced with “mandatory”. It’s only my opinion.
Then, 7-3 would be completely comprehensible, “For Swinging the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with-and directly opposed to-the motion of the On Plane Loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft) and this alignment maintained through impact.” Homer Kelly was a genius and no sentence in the book sums the differences between Hitting and Swinging as eloquently as this.
For the Swinger, this can only occur with 10-18-B. If Swingers continue to use 10-18-A then the concept of Loading the Secondary Lever and how it is completely and dramatically different (in feel and appearance) than Loading the Primary Lever cannot ever be known. You cannot load the Secondary Lever with 10-18-A. That’s what the statement in 7-3 is about and the reason “THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM” is included in 7-3.
Learn this, then Sequenced and Simultaneous Releases are not only understood, but can be executed at will, and perfectly On Plane. Every time.
I don’t think so.
Greater delay results in greater Clubhead velocity and downward force. This needs compensation. Reduced #3 Accumulator Angle for shorter Swivel time. The feel of the Swivel is magnified by the downward force and Roll is accentuated because of ratio of the “feel” of the longer and delayed Downstroke. For me, it feels like I’m pounding the Ball into the ground with Roll. Huge thump. My arms are almost parallel to the ground before I finish swivel. Ball flight soars upward though. Nice to watch but guaranteed to take an extra ten yards off into the wind.
I can relate to case of the "blocks." At times I would not "allow" my right arm to straighten...in an attempt to secure a "late hit." I know that in swinging the right arm is passive, but that does not mean non-existent! Ironically, what helped with this is learning how to hit! Focusing on that right tricep made TGM come alive! I am not suggesting that you hit, but perhaps if you monitored your right arm to make sure that it is not resisting CF (muscular rigor mortis?) in an attempt to stay bent. Make sense? I saw a picture of Byron Nelson at impact when I was a junior. His right arm was quite bent. Monkey see...monkey do! I did not see the picture from the same swing showing Nelson at follow through. Hitta, or swinga that bad boy has gotta straighten!
Focusing on the right tricep will be the death of your swinging motion. You'll have to question yourself why Tomasello talks about using the muscles of the forearms not the Triceps. Stay with the tricep idea long enough on you'll be on the path to over acceleration.....you'll start generating clubhead throwaway automatically, impact will start to feel like _hit and lose its sweet feel. That's just the beginning.
I don’t think so.
Greater delay results in greater Clubhead velocity and downward force. This needs compensation. Reduced #3 Accumulator Angle for shorter Swivel time. The feel of the Swivel is magnified by the downward force and Roll is accentuated because of ratio of the “feel” of the longer and delayed Downstroke. For me, it feels like I’m pounding the Ball into the ground with Roll. Huge thump. My arms are almost parallel to the ground before I finish swivel. Ball flight soars upward though. Nice to watch but guaranteed to take an extra ten yards off into the wind.
Definitely becomes "Simultaneous" with Max Trigger Delay . . . think about it . . . if you are delaying the Uncocking and the Rolling well into the Downstroke these release motions HAVE TO happen in a more "simultaneous" fashion to be able to hit the ball meeting the selected Fix Alignments . . . that is why Max Trigger Delay isn't necessarily your friend.
Think of Sergio or Hogan vs. a Tom Watson . . . with Sergio the amount of delay requires that the Accumulators get in line QUICKLY Simultaneously almost instantly . . . that would be both #2 and #3 . . . if Sergio held it deep and just did UNCOCKING and no roll the ball goes everywhere . . . .that is why you may want to think about 10-2-D grips with Max Trigger Swings . . . with that grip type you CAN'T Roll . . . Just Uncock.
It is my understanding that a push can result if the right arm is overly bent at impact, true? My suggestion to monitor the right arm was to see if it is "resisting" CF. I am not suggesting a thrrrust! Dynamically, or passively the right arm is in the process of being straightened by muscular force or by good 'ole CF. My reference to hitting was from my personal experience. Hitting re-introduced me to something that was forgotten (perhaps only known occassionally...and by accident...namely low point!) I am a manipulative swinger, and perhaps a closet hitter! The challenge is to allow the primordial force to do its thang. If I am under the gun and leaking oil I tend to trust the forces of nature closer to home i.e. the muscular thrust of the right tricep. Why? Psychological needs...and the desperate desire to annihilate low point. If I am a bit twitchy I tend to wrestle with CF and that right arm SIMPLY does not straighten. FORE RIGHT! However when I am "cruising" CF and I are like Fred and Ginger. The reason I swing most of the time (especially with a driver) is that, unlike Mr. Fort, I lose a few precious yards. It is not that my hitting stroke is short, it is just that the my swinging procedure is longer! Every now and then I work on pure swinging. It is kind of like a marital counseling session for CF and I!
Swinging or hitting no attempt should be made to restrain the straightening right arm, is my point.
Definitely becomes "Simultaneous" with Max Trigger Delay . . . think about it . . . if you are delaying the Uncocking and the Rolling well into the Downstroke these release motions HAVE TO happen in a more "simultaneous" fashion to be able to hit the ball meeting the selected Fix Alignments . . . that is why Max Trigger Delay isn't necessarily your friend.
Think of Sergio or Hogan vs. a Tom Watson . . . with Sergio the amount of delay requires that the Accumulators get in line QUICKLY Simultaneously almost instantly . . . that would be both #2 and #3 . . . if Sergio held it deep and just did UNCOCKING and no roll the ball goes everywhere . . . .that is why you may want to think about 10-2-D grips with Max Trigger Swings . . . with that grip type you CAN'T Roll . . . Just Uncock.
I'm learning something here guys... thanks for the dialogue.
Off topic perhaps Bucket, but did Freddy Couples use 10-2-D? I could watch that dude hit balls all day..... such a unique fluid motion. Saw him in a WWOG match the other day and tried to figure out what grip he uses to be compatible with the rest of his action.
I'm learning something here guys... thanks for the dialogue.
Off topic perhaps Bucket, but did Freddy Couples use 10-2-D? I could watch that dude hit balls all day..... such a unique fluid motion. Saw him in a WWOG match the other day and tried to figure out what grip he uses to be compatible with the rest of his action.
CG
ABSOLUTELY! AND . . . he is a TRUE Swinger . . . so check out some Couples' pics notice how he doesn't really "Swivel" back Up-Plane too. He BENDS Up Plane.
There are plenty of strong grip (10-2-D) players with oooodlez of Trigger Delay . . . see SwingVisions on Youtube of Boo and Sergio. The have "late" Swivel . .. Zach Johnson is the king of late swivel . . . maybe even NO swivel.
Another interesting comparison is to look at how close to the ground the clubhead is when Zach's hands are at his right thigh on the Downstroke vs. Boo or Sergio . . . you tell me who can hit it farther???
If you can see some footage of Freddy he's more "bendy" . . . so the club "re-planes" quicker but it's due to bending and recocking rather than ROLLING and recocking.
Definitely becomes "Simultaneous" with Max Trigger Delay . . . think about it . . . if you are delaying the Uncocking and the Rolling well into the Downstroke these release motions HAVE TO happen in a more "simultaneous" fashion to be able to hit the ball meeting the selected Fix Alignments . . . that is why Max Trigger Delay isn't necessarily your friend.
Think of Sergio or Hogan vs. a Tom Watson . . . with Sergio the amount of delay requires that the Accumulators get in line QUICKLY Simultaneously almost instantly . . . that would be both #2 and #3 . . . if Sergio held it deep and just did UNCOCKING and no roll the ball goes everywhere . . . .that is why you may want to think about 10-2-D grips with Max Trigger Swings . . . with that grip type you CAN'T Roll . . . Just Uncock.
“More Simultaneous”?? No. Less Sequenced does not equal more Simultaneous. Apples and Oranges. They are completely and Totally different motions.
More important is that the Right Wrist does not Cock or Uncock. The Right Wrist performs the same motion regardless of when and where and how fast it occurs. The Right Wrist is Bending as the Left Wrist Swivels. The Right Wrist moves from almost Flat before impact to Bent during impact. That motion occurs after the Left Wrist Uncocks (to Level). Uncock, then Roll. Sequence.
Please keep in mind that the Left Wrist Uncocks as the Right Arm straightens for both Hitters and Swingers. You are delaying the Right Arm from Straightening, but not from Straightening.
10-2-D Grips are for Swingers using Angled Hinging or Horizontal Hinging if you want to position the ball opposite your Right Foot.
“More Simultaneous”?? No. Less Sequenced does not equal more Simultaneous. Apples and Oranges. They are completely and Totally different motions.
More important is that the Right Wrist does not Cock or Uncock.
10-2-D Grips are for Swingers using Angled Hinging or Horizontal Hinging if you want to position the ball opposite your Right Foot.
Woo! We're debatin'!
I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous . . . It has to work that way . . . apples peaches punkin' pie . . .
I was refering to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist . . .
Per 10-2-G . . .
. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.
Hence the Freddie Couples reference . . . he satisfies the conditions of the Law of the Flail . . . but his Left Wrist be Bendin' like a comma.
As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.
The challenge is to allow the primordial force to do its thang. If I am under the gun and leaking oil I tend to trust the forces of nature closer to home i.e. the muscular thrust of the right tricep. Why? Psychological needs...and the desperate desire to annihilate low point. If I am a bit twitchy I tend to wrestle with CF and that right arm SIMPLY does not straighten. FORE RIGHT! However when I am "cruising" CF and I are like Fred and Ginger. The reason I swing most of the time (especially with a driver) is that, unlike Mr. Fort, I lose a few precious yards. It is not that my hitting stroke is short, it is just that the my swinging procedure is longer! Every now and then I work on pure swinging. It is kind of like a marital counseling session for CF and I! 
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