The Dividing Line...

[Yoda]

I was with Nick Mastrani when he interviewed Tom for the 1991 Golf Illustrated article. The two of us took lessons from Tom. My experience clearly was that Tom want me to pull down on the handle of the club at the same time as I was shifting weight from back to front foot. Tom said it really is all about rotary motion. I am sure he taught different people in different ways depending on what they needed.

Bold italics by Yoda.

Thanks for this insight, broberts.

This is how I remember Tommy teaching the Start Down Move (which, of course, is how it really works). In fact, this is precisely The Magic Move Harvey Penick taught in his now famous Little Red Book (page 96):

"To start your downswing, let your weight shift to your left foot while bringing your right elbow back down to your body."

There is a big difference between your recollection of Tommy's advice to "pull down as you shift" and DG's steadfast demand that we uncock the right elbow from the top and in advance of any lower body action.

[Delaware Golf]

Thanks for this insight, broberts.

This is how I remember Tommy teaching the Start Down Move (which, of course, is how it really works). In fact, this is precisely The Magic Move Harvey Penick taught in his now famous Little Red Book (page 96):

"To start your downswing, let your weight shift to your left foot while bringing your right elbow back down to your body."

There is a big difference between your recollection of Tommy's advice to "pull down as you shift" and DG's steadfast demand that we uncock the right elbow from the top and in advance of any lower body action.

Sorry guys that is incorrect....for a swinging stroke using 10-20-B, the golfer starts the downstroke by uncocking the right elbow through the muscles of the right forearm the pivot responds with a sliding action...then a rotational action during the release phase. Tommy executes it on both the Chapter and Letter series videos.

It's Right Hip Right Forearm/Right Forearm Left Hip.....not Right Hip Right Forearm/Left hip Right Forearm.

Lynn, I know you're just trying to give me hard time...

DG

[broberts5]

TT definitely did say to me, "right hip, right arm, right arm, left hip." Then he continued, You have to shift your weight as you pull down on the club. If one does not shift weight to lead foot at beginning of downswing, it seems to me, they would spin out rather than pivot.

[Yoda]

If one does not shift weight to lead foot at beginning of downswing, it seems to me, they would spin out rather than pivot.

The Hip Shift is the Weight Shift.

When the Weight shifts, the Hip Shifts.

When the Hip Shifts, the Spine -- the Axis for the Shoulder Turn -- Tilts (lower portion toward the Target / upper portion fixed by the Stationary Head). This enables the Right Shoulder to thrust and support the Hands directly toward the Ball. Now . . .

The Hands, in full command of the Hands-Controlled Pivot, can aim their Straight Line Thrust toward the Ball.

Drill: From the Top of the Backstroke, throw a golf ball at a golf ball on the ground. Clear the Right Hip, then . . . Straight Line Thrust toward the Ball. No matter the actual Path of the Hands -- Straight Line or Circle -- that's the idea.

[golfbulldog]

The Hip Shift is the Weight Shift.

When the Weight shifts, the Hip Shifts.

When the Hip Shifts, the Spine -- the Axis for the Shoulder Turn -- Tilts (lower portion toward the Target / upper portion fixed by the Stationary Head). This enables the Right Shoulder to thrust and support the Hands directly toward the Ball. Now . . .

The Hands, in full command of the Hands-Controlled Pivot, can aim their Straight Line Thrust toward the Ball.

Drill: From the Top of the Backstroke, throw a golf ball at a golf ball on the ground. Clear the Right Hip, then . . . Straight Line Thrust. No matter the Path of the Hands -- Straight Line or Circle -- that's the idea.

That is one of your best! As simple yet complete a description of the transition and downstroke as you will ever find!
Thanks , Yoda- not tiring despite 7000 + posts!

[Delaware Golf]

TT definitely did say to me, "right hip, right arm, right arm, left hip." Then he continued, You have to shift your weight as you pull down on the club. If one does not shift weight to lead foot at beginning of downswing, it seems to me, they would spin out rather than pivot.

And do you swing the club today as Tommy instructed???

DG

[Delaware Golf]

EVERYONE READING THIS....

Just go to the Gallery....under free videos....click on the Tomasello videos. Start with "Letter Series Video #3....then watch Letter #1 and #2....now who's BSing who???

DG

[YodasLuke]

the golfer starts the downstroke by uncocking the right elbow through the muscles of the right forearm the pivot responds with a sliding action...then a rotational action during the release phase.
DG

Above Bold, Italics, and Underline by YodasLuke.

Since we're all in agreement that the answer for every question is "the Magic of the Right Forearm", the following will most certainly be a mute point.

The posterior compartment of the arm is an anatomic compartment which contains muscles which are all supplied by the radial nerve. This compartment is also known as the "extensor compartment", extension being its main action.

The muscles of this compartment are the triceps brachii and anconeus muscle.

The triceps brachii is a large muscle containing three heads (lateral, medial, and middle). The anconeus is a small muscle stabilizes the elbow joint during movements. Some embryologists consider it as the fourth head of the triceps brachii.

Additionally, by starting the downstroke with the straightening of the Right Arm, you will succeed in becoming the shortest player in your group.

Happy G.O.L.F.ing

[Delaware Golf]

Above Bold, Italics, and Underline by YodasLuke.

Since we're all in agreement that the answer for every question is "the Magic of the Right Forearm", the following will most certainly be a mute point.

The posterior compartment of the arm is an anatomic compartment which contains muscles which are all supplied by the radial nerve. This compartment is also known as the "extensor compartment", extension being its main action.

The muscles of this compartment are the triceps brachii and anconeus muscle.

The triceps brachii is a large muscle containing three heads (lateral, medial, and middle). The anconeus is a small muscle stabilizes the elbow joint during movements. Some embryologists consider it as the fourth head of the triceps brachii.

Additionally, by starting the downstroke with the straightening of the Right Arm, you will succeed in becoming the shortest player in your group.

Happy G.O.L.F.ing

It's a shame....so many excellent tid-bits of information on those Tomasello vids especially the video series that came out this year. Someone might figure it and run with it...I hope it happens.

Chapter video 2 and 5 and Letter video number 2.....Yeeeeee Hawwwwww....

DG

[Jeff]

DG wrote-: "Sorry guys that is incorrect....for a swinging stroke using 10-20-B, the golfer starts the downstroke by uncocking the right elbow through the muscles of the right forearm the pivot responds with a sliding action...then a rotational action during the release phase."

That's anatomically impossible. The right forearm muscles cannot straighten the bent/folded right elbow. That function is performed by the UPPER arm triceps muscle.

Forerarm muscles can only perform the following anatomical actions-:

1) Flex, extend, abduct or adduct the fingers and thumb.
2) Palmarflex or dorsiflex the wrist.
3) Radially deviate or ulnarly deviate the wrist.
4) Pronate or supinate the hand.

Forearm muscles cannot flex or extend the elbow joint because they are distal (peripheral) to the elbow joint.

If anybody contests my opinion, please be so kind to name the right forearm muscle which is "supposedly" capable of straightening the right elbow joint.

Jeff.