Why a fade?

[golf2much]

Golf2much,
Now that your faith in physics has been restored- I'd like to see my faith restored, that a few people out there have learned some basic facts of TGM. Can someone help me, by explaining one or more of the items that are incorrect in Jim's post.
Thanks,
Mike O.
P.S. In this particular situation- I'll consider the shorter your answer the more in-depth your knowledge.

I'm not sure what you are asking... I understand the hinge actions, but was misunderstanding the "starting from impact fix concept". Based on my thought that you started from impact position(fix), and the goal was to return to that position at actual impact, I couldn't figure out how the fade component was being introduced to the ball flight. What I now understand (at least I think I do), is that the face is slightly open at impact and separation imparting a small left to right spin component. Just a misunderstanding of the applciaiton of the impact fix concept.

[Yoda]

Iron sharpens iron.

Men sharpen men.

And that is why...

I love this place!

[golf2much]

Iron sharpens iron.

Men sharpen men.

And that is why...

I love this place!

This is turning out to be quite a place ! BTW, you'll meet a friend of mine at your OCN sessions. DK works out at the same range I visit during lunch and has been a HK fan for a long time. Now that there are at least 2 of us that can talk mostly the same language, we have some very interesting conversations... people look at us, just shake their heads and smile. If they only knew!!!!

Thanks for all you efforts. this really is a great place
Don Luke

[Mike O]

Todd- Move to the head of the class! A door motion doesn't "hood".

Who's next?

P.S. Jim, your post is a great one in that it provides a great learning opportunity for those that want to take advantage of it.

Mike O.

[Mike O]

Lagster,
Move to the head of the class with Todd!

Who's next?

Mike O.

[Bagger Lance]

Mikestloc,

I think I get the spirit of Mike O's responses but before I reply any further. I'll await Mike's explanation.

However, I humbly ask that everyone refrain from personal attacks either outright or implied.

Written conversation, especially hastly written emails and forum posts are probably one of the worst forms of communication in my book. Nuances are easily missed and tone is frequently mistaken.

Thanks,

Bagger

[Mike O]

Mikestloc,
In general I understand and agree with where your coming from, you make some good points. Just mixing it up a little, however since I didn't say it before - I'll make it clear here that you won't be seeing a post in that format again- not because you posted against it, but because it really isn't my normal mode of operation.
Thanks,
Mike O.

[333pg333]

WOW You guys are so into complicating this game. I'm not a TGM "disciple" and don' t want to be based on the evidence of this and other forums. It's great that you are passionate about the game and the concepts of one guy but from what I can judge the TGM swing is ugly and obvious and much simpler than it would appear any of you would care to admit. It looks like a band-aid for people who cast. I know this as I arrived at the same swing conclusions many years ago when having trouble with throwing away the stored energy (casting). You just play the ball a little back, swing down and through with a strong left wrist and squash the ball taking a big divot. When I did this I thought I was playing good golf. It produced a nice little draw and came out lower. Man I was like the Pros. But boy it was ugly and not a real swing. I was a fake. I have since learned my lesson and play with a nice controlled fade that is derived by getting my body angles correct and letting the rest take care of itself. Check out www.garyedwingolf.com.au He is Australias' most successfull coach. e.g. Rod Pampling who just came tied 5th at US Masters. He doesn't even use a fast shutter speed when he films his pupils. He just looks at their angles and knows if they're doing it right. This is economy of motion and not to mention all this theory of hinges, planes etc...Some of you guys must get paralysis by analysis!!!

[jim_0068]

Nice first post.....

Hmm....ugly swings you say, ok:

David Toms, Brian Manzella GSED taught...one of the closest to a zero shift swing. Just beat the living pants off of everyone at the world matchplay. But ya he sucks.

Grant Waite, Chuck Evans GSED taught....was driving the ball over 300 yards, hitting 70% of his fairways, 80% of his greens...buy ya he sucks. (He currently isn't working with chuck anymore and his game has gone significantly downhill since).

Bobby Clampett....I *believe* taught by Ben Doyle (someone correct me if i'm wrong) GSED and had an awesome career and doing great until he strayed away...but oh yeah TGM ruined his swing.

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There are many many many examples.......i don't even want to waste anymore of my time with this.

[birdie_man]

If you knew enbough about TGM you would know it doesn't teach "a swing" really.