thoughts....decided on a pattern

[whip]

I think u guys are forgetting what centrifugal force is and how it works it pulls objects in line and on plane with their center of gravity the clubs in line condition te natural way it hangs is what cf is seeking so the ball must be positioned accordingly but it is centrifugal force that is in fact aligning the clubface

[Burner]

I think u guys are forgetting what centrifugal force is and how it works it pulls objects in line and on plane with their center of gravity the clubs in line condition te natural way it hangs is what cf is seeking so the ball must be positioned accordingly but it is centrifugal force that is in fact aligning the clubface

If only it were that simple, then we would all have perfectly aligned club faces all the time.

[comrade]

"Principles are simple-their applications get complicated."

[O.B.Left]

I think u guys are forgetting what centrifugal force is and how it works it pulls objects in line and on plane with their center of gravity the clubs in line condition te natural way it hangs is what cf is seeking so the ball must be positioned accordingly but it is centrifugal force that is in fact aligning the clubface

FTTMNKTA (for those that might not know this already) Bernt and HB are both highly decorated scientists , engineers and all round rocket surgeons. Seriously. I highly respect their opinion on all things physics, mechanical and geometry related. We are fortunate to have them on this board.

Might not always agree with them but ... we are indeed fortunate. And I don't believe in smiley faces ... never have never will. can't find the friggin button.

Now , that said. As a golfer , swinger I have had those blessed days when the motion, the free wheeling flail, the almost true swinging what ever you wanna call it seems to reproduce the impact geometry over and over and over again. And with what I now know to be Horizontal Hinging , compression plus , effortless power with consistency in direction and loft.

"Give up control to gain control" , as per Knudson.

And so, I can't in my golfers mind believe that CF, or the motion or perhaps something extra terrestrial doesn't align the face for Horizontal. It sure seems like it happens. And when Hitting it sure seems like Angled is the tendency . In fact Id say that the right elbow as it approaches pitch seems to beget Horizontal be you Hitting or Swinging, essentially.


HB why do you think Homer didn't plane his string experiment? I don't know that he did or didn't . Just wondering . Have you recreated it?

HB , Bernt are you sure you're just not both more on the manipulated side of things? No disrespect intended, Arnie would be in that camp. Homer himself had a preference for manipulated swinging . Hogan was a swinger with an Angled Hinge for most iron shots. Greg McHatton. etc etc. Lots of people overriding the tendency it would seem. Isn't there a tendency , Hinge Action wise?

[HungryBear]

Well OB , maybe not all that, well not some of it, a small part . BUT I did stay a a Holiday inn express once.

Because if he did plane it the experiment would have failed [/b]

I don't know that he did or didn't . Just wondering . Have you recreated it?

Could ask Yoda. He was there. The question is; Was HK experiment on a conical plane. I think Yoda woud know because he went to "Bumble Bee U" and thats a wreck of a place.

HB , Bernt are you sure you're just not both more on the manipulated side of things? No disrespect intended, Arnie would be in that camp. Homer himself had a preference for manipulated swinging . Hogan was a swinger with an Angled Hinge for most iron shots. Greg McHatton. etc etc. Lots of people overriding the tendency but isn't there a tendency , Hinge wise?

Show me the physics.

Anectdotal evidence. Look at your left foot. Is it swolen?
Your driver cog is well behind the face. I cf aligned the cog then you would come through impact about 30 deg. closed. And hit the ball into your left foot (exageration) '- see the point?

HB

[O.B.Left]

Your driver cog is well behind the face. If cf aligned the cog then you would come through impact about 30 deg. closed.

HB

Perhaps the cog is not as far back as manufacturers suggest? I dunno, such a thing would not shock me. They do keep trying to tell us the sweet spot is getting "bigger" for instance. It being a point , like a balancing point , of unmeasurable dimension.

Why would Homer get Horizontal for a cone shaped string path then? By what mechanism?

The thing about my anecdotal evidence is that it is common amongst good players. I know that means little given the track record of such things... straight back, straight through, ball flight laws etc. But .... there sure seems like a magical swing of the wand that repeats and repeats ....

[whip]

Well OB , maybe not all that, well not some of it, a small part . BUT I did stay a a Holiday inn express once.



Show me the physics.

Anectdotal evidence. Look at your left foot. Is it swolen?
Your driver cog is well behind the face. I cf aligned the cog then you would come through impact about 30 deg. closed. And hit the ball into your left foot (exageration) '- see the point?

HB

that's why we play the ball back of low point it seeks cog at low point

[HungryBear]

Perhaps the cog is not as far back as manufacturers suggest? ....

Lay the shaft on a table, counter, bar, etc. with the head over the edge. the COG wil settle under th shaft and the face angle, deviation from verticle, will be apparent.

hb

[O.B.Left]

Lay the shaft on a table, counter, bar, etc. with the head over the edge. the COG wil settle under th shaft and the face angle, deviation from verticle, will be apparent.

hb

Interesting .. so this would reveal Homers hook face too then?

[HungryBear]

Interesting .. so this would reveal Homers hook face too then?

About 40 Deg. On mine.

HB