I've got to edit this a bit. Instead of Flick being a "load and throw" (away of the clubhead) , I would imagine its better to consider it a "load and release". No Storage. Although as a procedure for a clubhead tosser , throwawayer its pretty good for ensuring the clubhead doesnt pass the hands at impact.
Why did Homer list Float in 10-19 Lag Loading anyways? It would appear to me that the actual method of Loading for Float is still Drive or Drag. Hit or Swing. Its not a different method of Loading really, or a different direction of Loading, its more a variation in Storage , zero Storage. Not sure where that would fit in otherwise, maybe a special combo of 10-22 and 10-24?
I wonder if Yoda would care to comment on Float.
Nice way of looking at it. "Zero Storage". Looks like progress is being made on trying to understand a difficult to understand concept.
I agree about the peck too. Those stroke archetypes by Homer is btw a fine piece of work. I call them archetypes because I can see a lot of middle ground between them.
What you say about load and release, O.B.Left, makes a lot of sense. In terms of how the muscles are used.
I think zero storage is a far too strong word. You can do some pretty heavy work before and after the point where you try to focus all your power. But it will be far from 100% force. If you aim for a steady thrust / steady rope handling you will never reach 100% of your power.
I mentioned plyometric above. I really think the golf stroke can be made to have plyometric qualities. And I think we can see some of it in for instance Michelle Wie as she cranks her hips through close to impact.
Plyometric training involves practicing plyometric movements to toughen tissues and train nerve cells to stimulate a specific pattern of muscle contraction so the muscle generates as strong a contraction as possible in the shortest amount of time. A plyometric contraction involves first a rapid muscle lengthening movement (eccentric phase), followed by a short resting phase (amortization phase), then an explosive muscle shortening movement (concentric phase), which enables muscles to work together in doing the particular motion. Plyometric training engages the myotatic reflex, which is the automatic contraction of muscles when their stretch sensory receptors are stimulated.
If you stay reasonably composed during transition,lead hard with your lower body and try to keep up with your upper body, I would expect to see some eccentric activity running through the core. And then of course the concentric activity follows.
I think zero storage is a far too strong word. You can do some pretty heavy work before and after the point where you try to focus all your power. But it will be far from 100% force. If you aim for a steady thrust / steady rope handling you will never reach 100% of your power.
100% of your power in Homers world would be Four Barrel with a Delayed Release. This is the stuff of the long drive guys. So agreed , 12-1 or 12-2 wont get you there but they will be way more than adequate in terms of distance for all but a very few golfers under normal golf conditions...... that is having to find and play your tee shot.
As an aside, I dont think Float Loading 10-19-B given its "lazy" loading characteristic is really heavy in a work sense. Its maybe more about attaining the power and geometric benefits of the late hit.....for those who dont or cant Store (much) by slowing down the Hand speed and Loading close to the Release Point. I think, maybe. See 6-D-2 for hand speed and throwaway.
Thanks for Plyometrics , interesting. Im thinking its maybe more relevant to Drive or Drag. Drive given a (if employed) slow start down and sharp application of thrust through the ball, Drag given its "instant hip acceleration", the lash of Mr Hogans swing. He "down cocked" but he Stored and his was not a lazy loading so I dont think he was Float Loading as written. Not with his Driver anyways. Pitch shots in the Mexico footage.......... maybe. Random Sweep/ Full Sweep, minimizes/ zeroes Storage by design, with reduced Lag Pressure and slow easy hand speed. Grey areas .....always lots of grey areas.
And yes Michelle Wie's Hips often do contribute to some eccentric activity in my core. Not sure what that is all about.
Sometimes I find it hard to lable golf swing "things"
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I would put "flick" outside of swing or hit so it can be labled as its own motion.
My definitions (just mine- dont get angry)
1- swing- complete pull in a rotary motion with the primary lever thrown out by cf- the pivot moves the lever out and down on plane.
2.- hitting - completely drive where linear force moves the primary lever out and down and the pivot creates the rotary motion.
NEITHER act to move the secondary lever- I bet that comment creates confusion.
3. - "FLICKING" any stroke where the secondary assembly is moved through impact by muscle force. If the force was used at top or end it would be casting but if the stroke is short/powerfull or long/slow a deliberate muscle through impact to get/keep the rhythm may be FLICKING.
Just my opinion.
PS. the only comment/problem I see with "Plyometrics" is the defining explosive application of force- which may make it a "quick and jerky movement". But I do agree with the occasion for smooth introduction of forces.
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At one extreme you can "cycle" a golf swing with very even application of force - or you can "run" a golf swing with a lot of plyo. I guess most good golfers are covering the middle ground.
At one extreme you can "cycle" a golf swing with very even application of force - or you can "run" a golf swing with a lot of plyo. I guess most good golfers are covering the middle ground.
sorry about my plyo ps. I think U are very correct. I should have said -plyo application to flicking. The swinger is/may be in very much the plyo mode at start down as an example. I was thinking the "flick" mode 10-19-B. I will dare to comment further. There are all these strokes golfers use where the loading is not sufficient to produce a release by "normal physics" (thats new huh?) so the club must be "upset" (not a great word- maybe assisted around is better) I think HK was thinking this way when he mentioned EA to power stroke. Putting may be an example, a BAT stroke may be an example.
What I do may be similar to what others are doing, only we're not describing it the same way. I think some plyo-ish action is bound to happen with a "straight line" delivery path. I don't believe there is such a thing as a straight hand path anywhere in the golf stroke but there can nevertheless be a sharp corner to turn at the end of that "line". And this quick turn will produce slowdown of the grip end of the club, ref the endless belt effect. And resisting and overcoming that slowdown will have plyometric qualities..... I think
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