vj: Your thoughts on developing a great short game?

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Old 05-28-2005, 08:44 AM
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THE HITTING CHIP

At address pre-select the amount of shaft lean for the given shot. For instance the higher the trajectory the less the lean, the lower the trajectory the more the lean.

So balance and ball position are set.

The right wrist should be bent and the left wrist flat at adjusted address. So you will begin from impact fix to minimize moving parts and to prevent you from needing or just using a float load.

From here the right elbow simply bends moving the lever assemblies away (back up and in) and then utilizing an arm throw (10-20-0) the right elbow pushes the lever assemblies down into impact. A true hitter's chip.

The right arm pitch is created again by controlling the lean of the shaft at address and opening the face. A pitch goes higher than a chip so less lean should be utilized at address. From here, for higher pitches around the green the face and the shaft must be manipulated to higher trajectory.
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Old 05-28-2005, 10:53 AM
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THE LOB SHOT

To get the most of this we must look at 2-C-2. A "Cut shot" is any stroke using vertical hinging through impact regardless of of plane line or the preceeding wrist action. H. Kelley

10-5-D is the one I utilize more often than not. In this way I can trace a plane line which is outside in to the target line and employ a little reverse roll.

So stand open-open with the clubface at the target and swing out to in (Left) utilizing a little reverse roll and you have the cut shot.

The lob comes from ball position. For the lob use the above cut shot procedure but have the ball positioned at low point (opposite your left shoulder.) With the ball positioned here the clubhead will be moving level or parallel to the ground which will in turn take the compression off the ball.

Therefore, the cut shot and the lob shot are the same with exception of ball positioning.
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:36 AM
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vj: In putting you suggested practicing the short ones and long lag putts. I have changed my putting practice to this and the results have been very good. In the short game do you have any set distances that you feel you should practice ?
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Old 05-31-2005, 08:59 AM
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Hue,

2 to 4 feet, a length they will all go in and 50 or 60 feet, a length you don't expect them to go in.
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Old 05-31-2005, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by vj


Hue,

2 to 4 feet, a length they will all go in and 50 or 60 feet, a length you don't expect them to go in.
That is putts. What about chips and short game shots?
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Old 05-31-2005, 10:16 PM
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vj, can you do some of the swinging pitches?
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:12 AM
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Before we get into swinging pitches and chips I need to make sure I made a very important point concerning the hitting pitch and chip. Mr. Kelley wanted us all to learn to straighten the right arm with wrist bend and every angle of wrist bend available. In other words, learn to straighten your right arm with every degree of wrist bend. This will give you the trajectory control necessary for the shot to suit your eye.


THE SWINGING PITCH

Well guys we are using number 4 for sure instead of number 1. That is the major difference. You are no longer using right arm thrust to move the lever assemblies, you are now using number 4.

The single barrel swinging pitch could be described as simply keeping your chest turning, although the chest is not number 4. A great hint here is keeping your eyes on the ball the entire flight, by doing so you will take number 4 and let centrifugal force pull the left arm and clubshaft in line without any other use of accumulators purposefully. So for the single barrel pitch keep your eyes on the flight of the ball the ENTIRE time and keep that pivot moving.

A double barrel pitch will look the same with exception to having some cocking and uncocking of the left wrist during the stroke itself. so now you are taking the club away, setting an angle between the left arm and clubshaft, swinging down and allow the left wrist to uncock under (centrifugal force will do this) and keeping your eyes on the ball. Like Ben says, what you load is what you dump.

Rember loading is not simply creating an angle, load comes from the clubhead resisting the change of direction which your pivot creates. So simply swing the club up, set an angle, change directions, and keep your eye on the ball the entire time for the the double barrel pitch.

The third accumulator of power is how you place the club in your left hand. Essentially the double barrel pitch is the same as the triple barrel pitch if the club is held under the heel pad of the hand creating that wonderful flying wedge.

Single- No wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an absence of right arm participation. The club will lie in the palm of the left hand for true single barrel pitch or chip.

Double- Wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an absence of right arm participation. The club will lie in the palm of the left hand for true single barrel pitch or chip.

Triple- Wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an adsence of right arm participation. The club will lie under the heel pad of the left hand for true triple barrel pitches.
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Old 06-05-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vj


Before we get into swinging pitches and chips I need to make sure I made a very important point concerning the hitting pitch and chip. Mr. Kelley wanted us all to learn to straighten the right arm with wrist bend and every angle of wrist bend available. In other words, learn to straighten your right arm with every degree of wrist bend. This will give you the trajectory control necessary for the shot to suit your eye.


THE SWINGING PITCH

Well guys we are using number 4 for sure instead of number 1. That is the major difference. You are no longer using right arm thrust to move the lever assemblies, you are now using number 4.

The single barrel swinging pitch could be described as simply keeping your chest turning, although the chest is not number 4. A great hint here is keeping your eyes on the ball the entire flight, by doing so you will take number 4 and let centrifugal force pull the left arm and clubshaft in line without any other use of accumulators purposefully. So for the single barrel pitch keep your eyes on the flight of the ball the ENTIRE time and keep that pivot moving.

A double barrel pitch will look the same with exception to having some cocking and uncocking of the left wrist during the stroke itself. so now you are taking the club away, setting an angle between the left arm and clubshaft, swinging down and allow the left wrist to uncock under (centrifugal force will do this) and keeping your eyes on the ball. Like Ben says, what you load is what you dump.

Rember loading is not simply creating an angle, load comes from the clubhead resisting the change of direction which your pivot creates. So simply swing the club up, set an angle, change directions, and keep your eye on the ball the entire time for the the double barrel pitch.

The third accumulator of power is how you place the club in your left hand. Essentially the double barrel pitch is the same as the triple barrel pitch if the club is held under the heel pad of the hand creating that wonderful flying wedge.

Single- No wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an absence of right arm participation. The club will lie in the palm of the left hand for true single barrel pitch or chip.

Double- Wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an absence of right arm participation. The club will lie in the palm of the left hand for true single barrel pitch or chip.

Triple- Wrist cock and keeping your eye on the ball the entire time, keeping your chest moving, and an adsence of right arm participation. The club will lie under the heel pad of the left hand for true triple barrel pitches.
VJ,

When using the 3 Barrel Swinging Procedure, do you go to FULLY UNCOCKED with #2? Also, do you keep your grip pressure light?

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Old 06-07-2005, 06:05 AM
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vj: Some people recommend using a variety of different clubs for shots around the green others prefer using one club (SW or LW) and getting very familiar with it . Which camp do you fall into and why ?
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:31 AM
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To the best of my knowledge, #2 should always go through cocked, level, and uncocked. So the answer is yes.
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