[6bmike]

If those arguing about what starts the downswing could agree on what ends the backswing, then I think I could enter into the fray. It would also help if those arguing about when the downswing starts would agree as to when the backswing ends.

A Hitter stops at the TOP with Single Wrist Action, 10-18-C-2 and a Swinger stops at the END with Standard Wrist Action, 10-18-A.

Top is where the Hands are shoulder high ( or slightly above) and ON PLANE- Power Package assembled. This is where a Hitter will load #3 pressure point BEHIND the shaft on Start Down. The 10-18-C Single Wrist Action, shoulder turn and Checkrein Action of Extensor Action comes to a halt. Load and Drive Downward.

End is when the stroke for a Swinger goes past Top with a Standard Wrist Action, 10-18-A, a swinger's start up swivel and fully assembly power package waiting for 7-19-C.