How terribly close is hitting and swinging?

[6bmike]

ok... from extensor action .. i highlight 2 sentence in 6.B.1.D






ALSO

10.18.A

I highlight

A "feel" of a turn, but nothing turns out of relationship on the shaft. Lynn explains and shows you on the vid. Watch viewing.

either pp pulls the shaft inline as it flattens the left wrist. It doesn't matter which pp you zone in on as long as the thrust is inline with the shaft.

The left arm is like a dog leash and the right arm is the dog running away only to be prevented my the left arm leash.

The right arm can apply an inline thrust- Extensor Action and a driving right arm moving the Lever assembly at the same time. Two different thrusts as spelled out by Homer Kelley.

[Bagger Lance]

Like most things TGM, it's becoming more complicated than it really is. But in order to understand and for the egg to hatch, you've got to dig.

And digging you are Nuke. I love it!

Consider this, extensor action for swinging or hitting is a constant inline pressure as 6B said, of the clubshaft.

It's not much pressure, just a few pounds. As Ben Doyle would say, you are stretching your sweater taut.

It stays that way throughout the swing.

With hitting, it starts that way and stays that way even at the top of the backstroke and during startdown.

But during release, the hitter accelerates the primary lever assembly - clubshaft and left arm with a strong thrust of the right tricep. Zero to 60 in .02 seconds. A right arm crossline punch through impact. Pure thrust.

[nuke99]

I understand your point. Mike.

Though Mike...

The trigger finger of a swinger is more of a " ? ' Hook shape.. while a hitter more flat , Different Feel and slight different look. BUT same relationship. Isn't it?

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Mr Bagger ... Thanks..

I really just hoping someone can actually see my point and say if its right or wrong.

And there you said it... ACCELERATES THE PRIMARY ASSEMBLY ...=== HITTER.. So the Accumulator 1 and Extensor action have to support the primary assembly ! To see my point.. Throw away that club .. and apply accumulator 1 /extensor action on your left arm by pulling the left thumb. HIT IT ...

Swinging ... Provide Extensor Action to the Secondary assembly ... Whatever you do with this one... It cannot become a Accumulator 1 power. To see my point.. use a separated grip and apply extensor action via PP3 or right hand and swing ..No way your right elbow can become accumulator 1 ? It becomes POINTLESS anyway. right?

Hehe,, I think this is my best explanation yet ...

Do you have time to give me english lesson Bagger? You write so much better. than me

[6bmike]

I understand your point.

Though Mike...

The trigger finger of a swinger is more of a " ? ' Hook shape.. while a hitter more flat , Different Feel and slight different look. BUT same relationship.

I don't think one stroke type dominates a certain finger shape. The only important part of pp#3- The King of All Pressure Points!" I like to say, is that it located on back of the shaft (as are PP1 and PP2) somewhere on that lower fat pad of the finger and hand and that you can sense Lag Pressure from it. It is the clubhead since we monitor and hit the ball with our Hands.

This "where is PP#3" and what up with this "feel' of a rotated 1/4 turn had been debated and pondered since I first stepped in the TGM world- long before Yoda even. A long list of well respected TGM aficionados all had asumptions as to what that was. We had a lot to learn.

[nuke99]

Mike.. I think it makes sense to me at least for the finger to be Hooked for swinger..

Due to the Pitch elbow. and Karate chop... the Hook trigger finger places the PP 3 directly behind the Plane of action ... or the ARC of Circular motion.

While for a Hitter , the right hand is relatively more Perpendicular to the plane of action. also caused the PUNCH elbow and the "primary lever assembly" ... if assembled together. Put the pp3 behind the Angle of Thrust ..

Like a Jigsaw puzzle.. One puzzle fit to another puzzle..and it all made more and more sense.

[Bagger Lance]

Swinging ... Provide Extensor Action to the Secondary assembly ... Whatever you do with this one... It cannot become a Accumulator 1 power. To see my point.. use a separated grip and apply extensor action via PP3 or right hand and swing ..No way your right elbow can become accumulator 1 ? It becomes POINTLESS anyway. right?

Keep them seperate Nuke. As Mike mentions, the role of extensor action is checkrein action. The right arm is always trying to straighten. It's a power package function that helps maintain structural ridgity, and assist in rhythm among other things.

Extensor action is not for the secondary assembly of the flail (clubshaft) per se. Even though it can be applied to either pressure point 1, the heel of right hand or pressure point three, the base of the right index finger. Its function is applied to the primary lever assembly (left arm) in hitting or swinging. To stretch but not move the left arm. No difference hitting or swinging and it's not a power source.

Accumulator 1 has a different role. It is a power source.

[nuke99]

Bagger,

Sorry,>..< still not absolutely happy digging yet..SO which mean this doesn't mean anything at all? quoting from 6 B 1 D, HK did write it for a good reason ?

Stretching the Left Arm through the #3 Pressure Point gives the same action as pulling on both ends of a rope. That is, it pulls both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft tautly in a straight line. That, and just moving from "Bent Left Wrist' to "Flat Left Wrist". However, improperly executed, it can cause Clubhead Throwaway

Pulling Secondary assembly?


THEN

However, improperly executed, it can cause Clubhead Throwaway. In which case, use only the #1 Pressure Point and pull on the Left Thumb to then hold at least the Left Arm in-line and retain Power Package structural rigidity.

Pulling Primary Assembly?


Its talking about 2 separate thing. The word IN WHICH CASE . ONLY .. is high lighted by me...Now.. If HK did not use this IN WHICH CASE, and ONLY .. then what you say is totally in - line..



Please explain ? Thank you.

[6bmike]

Mike.. I think it makes sense to me at least for the finger to be Hooked for swinger..

Due to the Pitch elbow. and Karate chop... the Hook trigger finger places the PP 3 directly behind the Plane of action ... or the ARC of Circular motion.

While for a Hitter , the right hand is relatively more Perpendicular to the plane of action. also caused the PUNCH elbow and the "primary lever assembly" ... if assembled together. Put the pp3 behind the Angle of Thrust ..

Like a Jigsaw puzzle.. One puzzle fit to another puzzle..and it all made more and more sense.

Study 10-18 and 10-2. The shape of the finger has nothing to do with how or who uses the Lag Pressure of pp#3. It is the Action of the Left wrist that is being used in the stroke.

It is not the positions you want to create they are useful but how they form with proper alignments- not the same thing. Horse and cart kind of thing.
I would concentrate of using the components Homer listed in 10-1-0 and 10-2-0, add the correct Action and forget about what position something needs to be in. The alignments work. You will find the puzzle fits fine.

[Bagger Lance]

Its talking about 2 separate thing. The word IN WHICH CASE . ONLY .. is high lighted by me...Now.. If HK did not use this IN WHICH CASE, and ONLY .. then what you say is totally in - line..

Please explain ? Thank you.

No, he's talking about doing the same thing two different ways. Your option.

Also, put in your noggin that the stretch needs to be below plane.

[nuke99]

Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), just and only because of the Loading Action direction-no actual movement of anything. So from The Top to Release, the Loading puts the top side of the Clubshaft against the first knuckle of the forefinger. But with Hitting there must be NO change whatever.

Mike , I understood in what your saying about wrist action, grips etc. Also part of the puzzle.

The above quote in 10-11-0-3 PP 3 meant nothing? why did he have to Remind us ? I agree its not how PP is used.. But to me its more like because of the Elbow position and Loading that there is such mini difference.