The finish swivel happens automatically for me, but I (at least right now) do have to initiate the roll through impact. Impact shouldn't be executed as a swivel; the finish swivel happens after your hinge action. Remember the roll through impact is your hinge action / rhythm; it's your left arm, not your wrist.
This is the part that helps me more.
I don't mix up roll with swivel; I just wanted to know which of the two things
I must think about when approaching impact zone. On the other hand I'm
wandering why should be swivel of any importance (since the top of backswing,as Lynn states), if it occurs well after the ball is struck? Does it have any influence on the shot or not?
Anyway my main concern is that I cannot reconcile nor connect throwout
action with rolling my left arm thru impact. Maybe I don't understand (as
English is not my language) what throw out means. As I intend it, throw out
is the uncocking of the left wrist (releasing of N. 2 accumulator) downplane.
Now,assuming this is correct,should I perform the rolling of the left forearm
simultaneaously with the uncocking of the left wrist? Looks like I can't
perform both things at the same time. The outcome is this: If I think of
throw out I get well struck shots,but they're pushes. If I think of rolling
thru impact I still get good struck shots but they're pulls.
So I ask you bambam : is throw out action part of your conscious swing
thoughts or not? If yes,how do you accomodate throw out with rolling? and
still getting a horizontal hinge?
Clue: I never slice nor hook my shots,only pushes and pulls. What would the
doctor say?
Thanks again to all of you .
I just wanted to know which of the two things
I must think about when approaching impact zone.
Ideally you aren't thinking about anything when approaching impact because there's not much you can do about it at that point All this stuff should be in the computer before you ever pull the trigger.
Originally Posted by libero
On the other hand I'm
wandering why should be swivel of any importance (since the top of backswing,as Lynn states), if it occurs well after the ball is struck? Does it have any influence on the shot or not?
I'm sure others could add to this, but knowing what alignments you want to have at each station is critical. If you don't know how to swivel or even what a swivel look like, doing it properly will be pure luck. The swivel is a natural bridge from both arms straight to finish. Any other move there will probably introduce some compensations and have negative implications on impact.
Originally Posted by libero
So I ask you bambam : is throw out action part of your conscious swing thoughts or not? If yes,how do you accomodate throw out with rolling? and still getting a horizontal hinge?
Where's 12 piece when we need him? He's had some good posts on throwout action recently.
Your release motion can be simultaneous (typical of a hitter) or sequenced (typical of a swinger). In a sequenced release you uncock then roll (check out the "are you ready to roll" video). You can increase/decrease overlap of those accumulator releases to increase thrust/velocity. If I had my book with me, I'd give you chapter numbers. Do a search on sequenced release and you'll get some good stuff.
Right now I am thinking about feeling the roll. The past few months, I was thinking about feeling the uncock, but that's becoming natural (shut up bucket). I hit pushes for a while during that process. If I roll before I uncock, fore left. If I don't roll, then I either get throwaway or a hinge action I didn't setup for...fore right.
SECGolf had a good reply to your question. It's possible you're trying to fix a symptom rather than a cause. If you have video or an instructor, check to make sure you aren't swaying, bobbing, or otherwise screwing up your plane. I found until Lynn and Ted helped me with some plane issues, I couldn't get my hands and the club to consistently do what I knew they were supposed to through impact.
Looks like I can't
perform both things at the same time. The outcome is this: If I think of
throw out I get well struck shots,but they're pushes. If I think of rolling
thru impact I still get good struck shots but they're pulls.
So I ask you bambam : is throw out action part of your conscious swing
thoughts or not? If yes,how do you accomodate throw out with rolling? and
still getting a horizontal hinge?
Clue: I never slice nor hook my shots,only pushes and pulls. What would the
doctor say?
Thanks again to all of you .
Having thought of this only because of personal experience (same problem), it really, really sounds like you are coming into impact over plane.
Related, as far as what to think about, ultimately, think of driving (swing - passively, hit - actively) down and out toward the plane. Because of your already installed hinge assembly (and preprogrammed Type of hinge assembly), hinging will occur as a result of thrust to the plane line. The tremendous momentum from these actions will necessitate that a finish swivel occurs. Now, actively causing, or actively monitering a finish swivel, for a period of time, might help the actions preceding the swivel (preceding actions will be "forced into place").
Think of a door. There is no need to think of hinging. The hinge assembly is already installed. All you have to do is push (drive the door). All "timing" - when the door will line up with the frame - is taken care of by the hinge assembly.
As far as over plane driving, focus on eliminating clubhead throwaway by establishing, producing and maintaining clubhead lag pressure (Clubhead feel). If you lose clubhead feel, you will have throw away.
Having thought of this only because of personal experience (same problem), it really, really sounds like you are coming into impact over plane.
Related, as far as what to think about, ultimately, think of driving (swing - passively, hit - actively) down and out toward the plane. Because of your already installed hinge assembly (and preprogrammed Type of hinge assembly), hinging will occur as a result of thrust to the plane line. The tremendous momentum from these actions will necessitate that a finish swivel occurs. Now, actively causing, or actively monitering a finish swivel, for a period of time, might help the actions preceding the swivel (preceding actions will be "forced into place").
Think of a door. There is no need to think of hinging. The hinge assembly is already installed. All you have to do is push (drive the door). All "timing" - when the door will line up with the frame - is taken care of by the hinge assembly.
As far as over plane driving, focus on eliminating clubhead throwaway by establishing, producing and maintaining clubhead lag pressure (Clubhead feel). If you lose clubhead feel, you will have throw away.
[quote=SECGolf;42938]Having thought of this only because of personal experience (same problem), it really, really sounds like you are coming into impact over plane.
I'm not sure of what you mean by "over plane"; is that the same as "above
plane"? or you mean I'm reaching out with the clubhead beyond the plane
line?
[quote=SECGolf;42938]All you have to do is push (drive the door). All "timing" - when the door will line up with the frame - is taken care of by the hinge assembly.
Wait a minute...what am I supposed to push? I think only of pulling with my
left arm.
Anyway I thank you so much for all your precious infos.
[quote=libero;42949][quote=SECGolf;42938]Having thought of this only because of personal experience (same problem), it really, really sounds like you are coming into impact over plane.
I'm not sure of what you mean by "over plane"; is that the same as "above
plane"? or you mean I'm reaching out with the clubhead beyond the plane
line?
Originally Posted by SECGolf
All you have to do is push (drive the door). All "timing" - when the door will line up with the frame - is taken care of by the hinge assembly.
Wait a minute...what am I supposed to push? I think only of pulling with my
left arm.
Anyway I thank you so much for all your precious infos.
Ciao
The base of an inclined plane is a straight line. When the shaft is not parrallel to the staight line (base of inclined plane), the end (of shaft - handle or clubhead) closest to the ground should point at this line ("on plane"). If you are right handed and the end is pointing to the right of the line you are over plane (shaft would be over a "real" inclined plane board - if you had one). Pointing to left side of plane line would indicate "under plane" - your chosen plane line.
"Push" - confusing choice of words on my part. Push only when referring to an actual door and its hinge assembly (and NOT for a swinging golf stroke procedure). In golf force is push of triceps - hitting - , centrifugal force - swinging . I believe these forces are what relates to pushing an actual door.
I believe the finish swivel is a result all that has come beforehand in a forceful, on plane golf swing. The finish swivel is allowed to happen.
Let me add some fog! It is possible to make a golf stroke such that the golf shaft always points at the target line. Such an action requires the least amount of physical effort by the golfer since all of one's effort is eventually directed at the ball. However, because of the human's bio-mechanical structure, to do so, the club shaft will always be swinging on very different inclined-planes. Dunn was wrong and Hogan very wrong, but they both were effective golfers.
All this stuff should be in the computer before you ever pull the trigger.
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