why straight?

[John Graham]

Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!

Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.

Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.

Sounds familiar.

Doesn't it?

Nice Post.

[Daryl]

Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material!

Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.

Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.

Well, actually, the "Moral of the Story" is that regardless of the Divots apparent direction relative to the Target, it should always be taken Down and Out On-Plane.

Confusing Plane Line and Target line is for Amateurs.

1-L-14 Divots are taken “Down-and-Out” – not just “Down.”

So, Ball Location determines the Angle of Approach (2-J-3), making the Forearm motion three dimensional (2-C-0). See 6-B-3-0. The “Delivery Line” procedure completely replaces the geometric Plane Line (2-F) and the Target Line because these were established at Impact Fix ("7-8") according to the intended Hinge Action (2-J-1) and Stance Line (10-5) requirements, and their control is completely automatic. Both the Lag Pressure Point and the Clubshaft must so relate to the selected Plane Line OR Angle of Approach – to the geometric or the visual – but don’t try to Monitor both at the same time because, though equally dependable, they need not be identical in execution AS LONG AS THE CLUBSHAFT HOLDS A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE – POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE. The orbiting Clubhead must maintain its visual relationship wit the selected Delivery Line per 2-F and 2-J-3 during all Twelve Sections (Chapter "8") while Turning, Cocking, Uncocking, Rolling and Swiveling of the Wrists. See 2-P, 7-23 and "8-0".

oh, wait a minute.....where did I put that "water bucket"?

[BerntR]

BUT WE ARE AMATEURS, DARYL



I think you nailed this one

[Daryl]

BUT WE ARE AMATEURS, DARYL

Hmm? Only because we don't get paid.

[BerntR]

Us & Bobby, Daryl. Us & Bobby.

One of the very best sing & song writers in Norway had an album with the title Amatør.

Because an amateur does it out of love

[John Graham]

For Horizontal Hinge Action (Ideal Compression), the Clubface is Open at Impact and Square only at Separation (1-L #17).

And, using approximate 'clock' terms, the Center of the Ball is at 7:00 at Impact and at 6:00 -- and precisely On Line -- at
Separation.

Study 2-C-1 (Linear Force -- The Ideal Application) and Sketches 2-C-1 #1, #2A & B and #3.

Let's assume that the face rotation is this much during contact with the ball (which is debateable) and the face at separation is directly at the target line but the clubhead path is still traveling downward, outward and forward at this point.

Face pointing at target at separation, club continues down plane with path to the right even if parallel.

This is not a straight shot unless mishit on the heel causing some gear effect which eliminates draw spin axis.

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.

[gmbtempe]

Let's assume that the face rotation is this much during contact with the ball (which is debateable) and the face at separation is directly at the target line but the clubhead path is still traveling downward, outward and forward at this point.

Face pointing at target at separation, club continues down plane with path to the right even if parallel.

This is not a straight shot unless mishit on the heel causing some gear effect which eliminates draw spin axis.

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.

I agree with this....will it be a ball that starts straight and falls a tad left or would the ball start off just right of the target and draw back?

[Daryl]

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.

Exactly what point is that? Can I hit a High straight or a Low straight shot?

[John Graham]

Exactly what point is that? Can I hit a High straight or a Low straight shot?

The point of that is with a solid strike, as I understand it, with the impact plane(chord of the circle pointing at the target) and the straight low plane line(tangent of the circle) being parallel to the target but right of it, a straight shot is not going to happen ever.

If you have the requisite skills, low shots and high shots can be straight for sure.

[John Graham]

I agree with this....will it be a ball that starts straight and falls a tad left or would the ball start off just right of the target and draw back?

I think it would start only slightly left and cross over the target slightly. Still a usable shot for sure. Just not a straight one.