Right Arm...Fold and Lift or Just Fold ??????

[Sbark]

Same request as DOC..................realize this is swinger tab, but more on the action of the right shoulder in hitting...........

every now and then it takes off down on its own and lets just say I hit it a little fat..............

maybe a link to a previous thread in the hitters tab?

[Yoda]

I have written extensively on this subject and recommend you search my archives. Meanwhile, click on www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=493 to get started. Here's an exerpt from my post in that thread:

"For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.

For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide parallel to the chosen Delivery Line, the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial Clubhead inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.

But...the Shoulder Turn is slow; it reaches its top speed very quickly; and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).

It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm."

[mb6606]

Get a mirror the kind you hang off the back of your closet door.
Set the mirror against a wall and rest a dowel within the mirror frame.
Set up in front of the mirror and set the dowel to the plane of your your right forearem (turned shoulder plane). Practice RFT with a club up and down the dowel plane in the mirror.

[DOCW3]

I have written extensively on this subject and recommend you search my archives. Meanwhile, click on www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=493 to get started. Here's an exerpt from my post in that thread:

"For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.

For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide parallel to the chosen Delivery Line, the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial Clubhead inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.

But...the Shoulder Turn is slow; it reaches its top speed very quickly; and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).

It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm."

Yoda~

Should there be any attention given to the feet and lower legs as a platform or base? Do they "give" and accept the downstroke acceleration or is there a "resistance?"

DRW

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Yoda~

Should there be any attention given to the feet and lower legs as a platform or base? Do they "give" and accept the downstroke acceleration or is there a "resistance?"

Hitting or Swinging, the Knees and Feet are your stabilizing Anchors to the Ground. The Legs exert a 90 degree ('normal') force on the ground. And vice versa.

To get an idea of how important the ground is, imagine stepping off the side of an unsecured rowboat onto a dock some distance away. If in the Golf Stroke the ground acted the same way as the boat, there would be big trouble!

[DOCW3]

Originally Posted by DOCW3

Originally Posted by Yoda Yoda~ Should there be any attention given to the feet and lower legs as a platform or base? Do they "give" and accept the downstroke acceleration or is there a "resistance?"

Hitting or Swinging, the Knees and Feet are your stabilizing Anchors to the Ground. The Legs exert a 90 degree ('normal') force on the ground. And vice versa.

To get an idea of how important the ground is, imagine stepping off the side of an unsecured rowboat onto a dock some distance away. If in the Golf Stroke the ground acted the same way as the boat, there would be big trouble!

If you have not already provided it in the previous post, maybe we will in time have the opportunity to hear the dialogue in your "Right foream/hole'ies & Pole'ies" clip. The drill there as it is understood has been most helpful. If only it had come as a "free gift" with the book. For me and my level of understanding, I feel a difference between Hit and Swingin the "base" established with the feet. For now, I am not able to formulate a more specific question and will stay tuned in.

DRW

[Yoda]

For me and my level of understanding, I feel a difference between Hit and Swinging the "base" established with the feet. For now, I am not able to formulate a more specific question and will stay tuned in.

When Swinging, you will Feel your Knees and Feet supporting the Body's Rotation and its resultant gyroscopic Centrifugal Throw-out Action. When Hitting, you will Feel them supporting a stable Body that resists the straight-line, Muscular Drive-out Action of Right Arm Thrust.

[DOCW3]

Originally Posted by DOCW3

For me and my level of understanding, I feel a difference between Hit and Swinging the "base" established with the feet. For now, I am not able to formulate a more specific question and will stay tuned in.

When Swinging, you will Feel your Knees and Feet supporting the Body's Rotation and its resultant gyroscopic Centrifugal Throw-out Action. When Hitting, you will Feel them supporting a stable Body that resists the straight-line, Muscular Drive-out Action of Right Arm Thrust.

I hear "support" and "resist" and hopefully understand the difference. Thanks for your patience.

DRW

[oztrainee]

Larger Muscle group is trigger by the smaller muscle group. Think about the "spear the fish" action, we are thinking about the hands (in fact is the finger trigging the hand then the wrist). As long as we can feel the finger and the weight of the club, let the right hand index finger to bend our right wrist , allow it to work with the back swing lag and the momentum.
Lag is a sequence of motion, we are using the lag to create force and load our shaft. We have to feel the lag in order to work with the momentum and rythum; and where the fingers will give you the direct feedback sence of pressure.
As long as we are pulling our left arm with the extensor action (Conciouse motion) the right wrist bending would affect the total right elbow motion. Is all link together. As long as we are not stopping the pivot to function, the pivot will work along with balance and momentum. And the bend right elbow affect the left wrist cocking.

Feeling the lag and stress the shaft
Feeling the pressure and work with the rythum
Good rythum will built good momentum
And go along with the momentum and bend right wrist.
The reverse presure point (#3) will bend our wrist
After all, are all fingers feel

With lag pressure (Swinger)
The relay is from right to left
Bend right wrist control the take away (concious extensor) FW
Flat left wrist control the forward swing (swinger-Left Mid and fourth fingers feel)FW
Is more then just one circle turn, is two half circle to form the swing.
The pivot will work, once it trained, forget about it if you can
Left the finger to do the job, and the swing will just looks as good.

Visual create illusion....

Bend right elbow

[wanole]

Originally Posted by powerdraw

This is precisely what gets confusing...so much emphasis on right arm action, when one thinks it's a left arm swing.

Swingers should think Momentum Transfer (of the Body via the Pivot into the inert Left Arm).

Pivot in the inert left arm? Does that mean turn you body and chest into the left bicep on the down swing until force drives the arm off the chest?