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Re: The Taut Truth

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Please provide any conflicting Tomasello version, DG, and I will be happy to comment.

Meanwhile, suffice it to say that the normal condition of the Arms (6-A-4) is that the Left Arm is always Straight and the Right Arm is always Bent until the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

I may be off, but it seems to conflict with Tomasello's idea that "the right arm is always DRIVING down the line". It is toward the end of the "Chapter 2" Tomasello video. I am a little confused by what he is saying here as he appears to contradict himself with this notion. He seems to really favor Swinging over Hitting but then, if the right arm is "always driving down the line", isn't that a Hitting procedure?

The Unruly Right Arm (Ruled By The Left Arm)

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

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Originally Posted by Yoda

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Originally Posted by 6bmike

Try to think of extensor action as a pull or a tug not a driving of the right arm, as if your left arm was a bungee cord and needs a pull on it.

Great, Mike. You're right on.

Ben Doyle, G.S.E.D., teaches many of his lessons in the near-perpetual 'sweater weather' of Carmel, California. When he demonstrates Extensor Action, he uses his right hand to tug downward the sweater sleeve of his Left Arm.

Now, that's a demonstration we can all understand!

Yoda,

The above is for starters.....contrast, Tomasello talks about driving the right forearm to a long right arm in his explanation of Extensor Action.....

One major difference between Yoda and Tomasello in their discussion of extensor action:

Yoda: "An unruly bent Right Arm"

Tomasello: "Magic of the Right Forearm"

[Bold by Yoda.]

DG,

Addressing your two points:

First, regarding my comment "An unruly Bent Right Arm," I defer to 6-B-1-0 and my mentor, Homer Kelley:

"Consequently, during Release, the Right Arm can straighten only as the Left Arm moves away from the Right Shoulder. This results in a smooth, even Thrust for acceleration of the Lever Assemblies from an otherwise unruly force."

Second, I love The Magic of the Right Forearm. I teach it every day. However, even with its Forearm Magic, the Right Arm can be only as long as it is straight. And as stated in my prior post, the Right Arm is never Straight until the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). By definition (6-A-4). Which means that until then, it is Bent:

At Address.

During the Start Up, Backstroke and at the Top.

During the Start Down, Downstroke and Release.

At Impact and until the end of the Follow-Through...

When finally both Arms become straight.

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

I know Tomasello would agree with you regarding the bent right arm through impact and to an arms straight condition post impact.

What about the driving right arm and extensor action (for swinging), I believe that is the real issue?

DG

You're right, Dave. That's the beautiful thing about Extensor Action:

Drive as you might -- with Centrifugal Throwout Action (Swinging) or Muscular Drive Out Action (Hitting) -- you can't get the Right Arm straight until the end of the Follow Through.

Result?

Perfect Rhythm.

The Right Arm driving the #3 Accumulator (the In-Line Left Arm and Club)...

Through Impact....

The same way...

Time after time.

Delaware Dave -- Still Kickin'

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

Thanks for the exchange Yoda....interesting as always.

You're welcome, Dave.

Thanks for your many contributions to our site. You make us all think, and that's the 'kick in the rump' we all need to move to the next level.

Re: Perfect Rhythm

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Originally Posted by Yoda

I think Tomasello also emphasizes that point at 4:30 into Chapter 3 on Hands:

"You fire that right hand out. Try to undo the bend. You won't be able to undo it....because your left hip will be pulling behind you....you see?

(Chuckle) You wont be able to undo it! ...as long as your left hip clears, your eyes follow the ball...you CANNOT possibly do what we call "throw it away"! But there is the power my friend that most of you have been missing perhaps all your golfing lives."

I am all over this stuff because I DO throw-it-away and precisely because my left stops turning. :(

I turn back, return to center and swing my arms straight along target but get "stopped up" because I quit turning to my left (or more likely my body is really turning but arms are outpacing).

Great stuff.. I am hoping to get that feeling Tomasella descibes "the club will feel like its trying to pull YOU down the line". :)

Abudoggie

Straight answer to a crooked (soft) left arm...

I am such a newborn so lots of really simple questions. :)

Doesn't the concept of extensor action in the backswing for the most part, contradict most conventional teachers, who say that a soft left arm is preferred?

I am hoping that the answer is yes!

JP

It may be just the terminology but the left arm does not extend on it's own. EXTENSOR ACTION is all right arm .The left arm is "inert" it is being pulled.As for "conventional"-who has explained the golf swing ( or hit)?..".complexity is far more acceptable and workable than mystery is":D :D

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Originally Posted by jpkrooked

What is soft? Slow? Long, or Full? Conventional instruction is full of ambiguous terms that mean different things to different people at different times. And they complain about TGM precise terminology- go figure.

Extensor action is tugging on the left arm- it stretches and straightens. It de-slacks. It by no means stiffens the arm. Whether you feel it as a pull of the arm or a push on the left hand, it is the straighten action that is important.

Is it soft? It isn’t a stiff board or stick. More like a pulled guitar string- soft but ready for business.

I like that Mike -"soft, but ready for business"-my swing thought for Saturday!:D

I'm 'twanging my number three accumulator tomorrow at Sand Barrens GC in south Jersey. Going to be in the mid 70's, its November and winter rates. Life is good.