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What would you gather from "Clear the right hip"?

Dictionarily I assume "clear" would mean to pass by without interference. So for these two parts of the anatomy to prevent a collision I understand that the right elbow would"clear" the right hip. Since the right hip cannot passby anything the only part left then is for the elbow to pass by the right hip even if be minutely so.

Try 7-14 and 7-15.

ANYONE??

Vikram

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Originally Posted by jp99

"Hips need to clear. Hips should lead shoulders. Hips need to move to shift weight. I cannot see how these 3 factors could lead to closed hips at impact."

Watch Tomasello's first video clip and you'll find a different opinion.

My point is, like you, I could not reconcile the hips being closed at impact - except for specialty shots- with what TGM teaches. Not saying Tommy is wrong - I am just not on the same page. I am fairly certain, while we are talking about alignment golf and not position golf, that with the three aforementioned points in my post would result in the hips at the least square at impact - particularly if the planeline is traced throughout the stroke.

If anyone else can shed some light, I am all for it.

Axis tilt is the key....

Hips slide parallel to the intended delivery path...crossline for hitting, and parallel to the plane line for swinging, all while maintaining a stationary head (thus creating of axis tilt and its subsequent avoidance of "roundhousing' or right hip collision.

And if I may, even if it's off topic... PANTHERS RULE!!!!!

EC

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Originally Posted by phillygolf

Hi JP!
I agree - and also have noticed that pro's generally have their hips open or square at impact. Couples - open. Els - open. Tiger - open. Hogan - open. Not bad company!!!

Not sure about Tommy, but personally, I have never seen a pro with his hips closed at impact.

Simply put - in my opinion, the hips have two functions - to power the shoulders and to shift the weight. I personally would not advocate having closed hips at impact - and certainly not as a goal.

Per 5-0, the hands should control the pivot. The hips need to clear to allow the hands to come down onplane - and I cannot see the hands coming down on plane while remaining closed - not to mention other potential issues (lack of pivot lag, potential shoulders leading downswing - over the top, and most of all - roundhousing).

I wouldnt get too caught up in what others do or advocate, unless its Homer.

Hips need to clear. Hips should lead shoulders. Hips need to move to shift weight. I cannot see how these 3 factors could lead to closed hips at impact.
Just my take.

-Patrick

Patrick,

I know for a fact that Homer didn't have a problem with a right arm swinging motion. I believe the motion Tomasello taught was about achieving power (and compatibility with the 3 barrel hitting procedure) than it was about avoiding an over the top move. Just watch the video on power from Australia and the second Letter chapter from Myrtle Beach...please study the videos.

Where are guys coming up with Tomasello teaching a closed hip motion at impact, that's misguided interpretation...the hips respond naturally to the motion of the right forearm (The Magic of the Right Forearm).

BTW, the hips don’t produce power they maintain velocity. Remember Lane 2 The "Arms" Lane where power is generated.

DG

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

Dave,
I never mentioned right arm swinging in my post. And thank you for clearing up the misguided intepretation!!!

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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

Patrick,

Where are guys coming up with Tomasello teaching a closed hip motion at impact, that's misguided interpretation...the hips respond naturally to the motion of the right forearm (The Magic of the Right Forearm).

DG

That's "drift" from the original point - Tomasello's first 'letter video' has instruction for the trail elbow leading the hip turn and he wants the hip turn delayed until the trail elbow passes the hips. He does not advocate closed hips at impact.